[MrJR]

Originally Posted by shartley

You state pump only. But really as long as the cycling action is manual it is still stock class.

Right, good point. What is an elegant and all-inclusive way to say "Operated using manual action such as pump, push button, or bolt action, such that marker can fire one shot each time it is cocked" ?

Originally Posted by SpinDoctor15

Don't forget no auto-trigger in the first tier rules. The Phantom has an autotrigger, but the rule is rarely enforced... plus it's pretty hard to use it in VSC mode with any effectiveness, unless you're pointing slightly downward.

I put that rule in the bottom tier. It might merit second tier at highest. Rarely enforced = eclectic rule.

Originally Posted by WilD

This is mostly covered by the term "bucket changer" but language I have seen several times before describes the requirement for the 12 gram to "pass through the threads" of the changer. I'm not sure if that really adds anything to your description, but its how I've seen it before and may help clarify for people who don't know what a bucket changer is. However, this language seems to exclude stock Nelspots and the Crossman 3357, which are usually allowed in stock class but have the 12 gram under a grip panel. I never understood that part.

Good thought. I'll try to clarify what a bucket changer is. I like the description, "pass through the threads" as a good guideline for what is legal.

Originally Posted by WilD

The Crossman and AGA may be better left out of the disscussion though as they appear to be exceptions to several rules. Maybe I'm just off my rocker.

They may have been illegal in some events and legal in others. I don't think you are off your rocker!

Originally Posted by jincay

For some reason I never connected with that thought, so all those people running around claiming to be playing pure stock class with their phantoms are in fact.....not.

According to the autotrigger rule... nope! Keep in mind though that the autotrigger guideline is rarely used and is almost redundant with "one ball over the breech at rest". I'd like to know if anyone was ever excluded from a stock class event for having a marker with autotrigger. It is possible, but again... that is a minor, quirky rule never really enforced, certainly not in modern stock class.

Originally Posted by Yellow5

I understand the spirit of it, but when you start excluding some of the primordial models, you have to ask when could rules like these have ever been the norm.

Agreed. Well said. Some rules were probably made with specific markers in mind, and not really intended to exclude other designs.


Great comments. There were some things I overlooked. Thanks for the participation. On the other hand, I wish this discussion had not been moved from the Pump section. I think the discussion should be here, and the final guide could be posted in "New to the Sport".