I know they are out there. I've actually seen a lot of them. The problem is, when I was looking for a 12" gloss black all american, all ebay had was literally a dozen chrome fronts, a mix of silly colors, and no black. Now that I need a chrome one as the last part for a project, ebay is empty of them and theres about 8 gloss black tips available. That's my luck in BST though....