The truth really came out but sort of covertly. Dave Bains came on and explained a bit, but said that they were Chris Haggins guns (Kapp owner). But the original poster said he checked with Budd after I confronted him, so it really means that Dave Bains or his buddy WAS trying to BS everybody. no big deal really though, I dont think many people would buy that gun for the price asked, especially on PBN. He probably could have got $500 or more with a truthfull post on here or PBN.