[Christian Nelson]

So, what you are saying is, that there is no right or wrong, essentially moral reletivism.

That a person who is articulate, and can argue well will give you more reason to believe his approach to right and wrong, simply because he can put a good argument to whatever he proposes.

Have you ever read Mien Kampf? It's been years, I mainly recall being astounded as to how reasonable, and logical He seems, and how he had me almost convinced that what he wanted to do was the right thing. This scared the crap out of me, knowing he was one of history's most evil men, yet he put forth a compelling argument, the German people overwhelmingly were convinced of his virtue, and they perpetuated a Holocaust because he was a man who was able to articulate evil in a compelling, and reasonable way.

To me, a person should be on guard against such things, that somethings are so beyond the pale, you don't need to debate the fact that it is evil.

To me, this is what it means to be self evident, that there is no need to argue it, you just know. All that debate can do, is confuse the weaker minded to follow even an evil plot, since reason can cloud concience.

In other words, you go to a prison, and everybody there is either innocent because of the circumstances, or they didn't do it. Denial and rationalization both work to convince people to do things they know to be wrong. Rationalization is the more dangerous of the two, and the more common, because a person can convince themselves that they can do pretty much anything given the right argument. To them, this seems so reasonable. We are best at fooling ourselves, and after fooling ourselves, we are more easily able to fool others.

The true believer is the hardest to combat, th guy who real does think he is the re-incarnated messiah.

Think about The people who followed these crazed lunatic cult leaders. What would dirve a man to castrate himself, and give his wife to some other guy? What possible compulsion would drive a man to go against his most basic programming? That of procreating and defending his territory? Reason, with reasoning, you can justify any act you want.