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Old 11-26-2009, 11:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Mag in cold weather questions

Tomorrow I'm going out to play. It's supposed to be in the 30's F. I currently have my classic mag set up with a male PPS Stabilizer and I run it on CO2. I've used it in warmer weather and as long as I keep my fire rate under control there's been no issues on CO2. But tomorrow is supposed to be a lot colder. I can get a rental compressed air tank and use that. But what do I do with the stabilizer?

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Will CO2 with a PPS Stabilizer and Classic valve work in the cold?
Or should I go HPA (but my system will be triple regged)?

I'd rather go with the CO2 if I can because I like running light with my 9oz tank, and the system is set up to go right now. But if that won't work, what should I do with the HPA? I don't have a gas through grip, and I don't have any macroline nor steel braided long enough to go from ASA to valve. The system would be triple regged. Can it work ok like that? Can I gut the classic reg and use the Stabilizer to control velocity? If so, I just take the reg seat seal out of the mag's reg, right? And start the Stabilizer's pressure low and work it up until I reach velocity?
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First, I don't think you even need a stab, try an expansion chamber instead

Regarding cold weather, the mag will more than likely not like the co2 in the cold, I suggest removing the co2 and the stab and taking hap to the valve, you will have to adjust your velocity so be aware of that
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll see how it works out tomorrow and go from there.
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CO2 was a no-go. On/off was not liking it at all. Put a rental HPA tank on it, set the Stab at 600 psi, adjusted velocity with the marker's reg. Was happy all day. Might break down and get a 45/45 for next year. My mag was much happier. I'm a maggot for sure now.
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My classic sucked a 45/45 down quick. I prefer something a little bigger (I've got an 88/45 on my Emag), but thats me.

Glad you had a good day with the mag. I'll always have at least one.
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Chopper Duke...I have a Classic Smart Mag with Level 7...

Baised on your setup (?) How many shots did you get with your Classic Mag on a 45/45?
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My classic sucked a 45/45 down quick. I prefer something a little bigger (I've got an 88/45 on my Emag), but thats me.

Glad you had a good day with the mag. I'll always have at least one.
How many shots did you get? I at most carry like 500 rounds on me. I definitely am an accuracy over volume kind of player. Today, the most I shot in one game was 150 rounds. I also work at the field so I get free air.
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In cold weather be even more generous with the gun oil. Before you start and again later when the marker starts to warm up. I played last year in -10 celsius ( 14 F ) and had no troubles when others were packing up and going home. I was running HPA on a Xvalve w/ level 10.
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I'd say the cold shouldn't affect HPA, but I'd probably end up eating my shoe for some silly reason or other. As far as efficiency goes, however, I've got a fair bit of experience. With a classic valve on air and only using the tank's reg, I usually get about 550 shots on a 48/3k tank across about 2 years time. If it matters, that was at 60-65 degrees F. If you go HPA, remember Mags like a higher input pressure.
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I was getting a couple full hoppers from the 45/45. I would refill if at about 1000 lbs. I was running it ~850psi.

The general rule of thumb is, 10 shots per ci at 3K, 15 per ci at 4.5K. So, 690 on a 45/45, but I don't remember ever getting quite that many, but I was running a lvl10.
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