New to mags. Want some help

7usabball · 06-23-2011, 04:22 PM

Ok, so I always, always research before moving on and trying a new marker. I've been looking at mags for a while. There's just some things I don't understand, and some pricing I'm looking into.

What are the differences between all the valve/bolt setups?
And what would I be looking at pricing-wise? I'm using HPA. I don't mind what body I use, though I like the mini-mag look more.
I am looking to spend less than $200 on one. Hopefully around $150.
So what kind of set-ups am I looking at in this price range?

Pr3mium · 06-23-2011, 04:23 PM

Actually my thread. Forgot to log out of my brothers account. Letting you know just in case anyone wants to pm about something.

Zoo · 06-23-2011, 05:25 PM

$150 is a decent price for a Minimag in good, shooting condition.

As for valve & bolt info, I wrote a basic overview over on the A5OG forum when I was getting into Automags: link
Can't seem to find the info thread over on the automags forums, but I'll post it if I do.
Post up if you have any other questions.

tenchustealthx · 06-23-2011, 05:47 PM

After being a new mag owner for several months I have loved my minimag.I think i paid around 140 for mine but I'm sure if you shop around you can get one cheaper but mine was all chrome/SS(which is what I wanted).As for valves it seems to depend on how much paint you want to shoot.The classic/mini valve don't have the reactive trigger the r/t-x-valves do. Meaning the higher input pressure from your tank, the more reactive and higher possible rates of fire.I personally love the plain minimag valve that came on mine. The only real upgrade I would suggest is a level 10 bolt. I have shot 3 cases with mine and never worried about chopping paint at all.The last thing I would suggest is make sure your output pressure is above 800 on your tank cause I bought mine and found out my reg was only putting out 600 instead of 800 like it advertised.Nothing like getting a gun then finding out it wont cycle because of your tank.

Pr3mium · 06-24-2011, 01:04 AM

All of this has helped a lot. The guide especially.

Now I just need to know what's in my price range.

Is getting a level 10 bolt worth it? Or would it be in my price range even? Otherwise a level 7 is what I assume I'd be looking at.

The Classic valve would be fine for me. I'm just using HPA, and won't need an expansion chamber or have to deal with liquid co2. Though I would like a RT valve. Again though, would the RT valve be in my price range?

The autococker threaded ULE bodies are nice. But they're 3rd on my list I believe? in importance. I really don't care, and will take a twist style body. I just like center feed. Was never a fan of offset bodies.

Then next I suppose I would get an Intelliframe and a Classic Rail.

tenchustealthx · 06-24-2011, 06:59 AM

If your not in a super hurry, shopping around you can find some mags that pop up with a lvl 10 in your price range.My friend got a rt classic with a lvl 10 and a intelliframe for around 175 in mint condition. Also lvl 7 isn't bad its just going to chop sometimes.If you get a rt even with a force fed it will chop some.Main thing is shop around if your not in a hurry.I bought my minimag and loved it so much I'm now piecing together a rt classic(needs lvl 10 and intelliframe for it also).

Zoo · 06-24-2011, 07:57 AM

If you have the level 10 bolt installed and it is tuned properly, it will not chop balls.
The level 7 bolt would work fine if you don't plan on shooting more than 8 or 9 bps. Beyond that it tends to chop. And remember, if you have a good force-feed loader it will definitely help reduce chops.

Expect to pay around $50-60 for a good Classic valve; around $90-100 for a good Emag, Retro, or RT-Pro valve; and expect to pay around $175 for a good X-Valve.

The Intelliframe is a great frame. There are many trigger options for it to suit your feel.

Pr3mium · 06-24-2011, 02:43 PM

So this would be a good deal for $150? And I mean a good deal, not just an average one.

Lvl 10 bolt
Drop forward
Foregrip adapter
Lvl 10 parts kit
OTP barrel
32 degrees single trigger frame
68 automag A.I.R. valve
RH feed

I'd be switching to a double trigger frame. But if I was able to get this for around $150, would that be good?

Also, what is hydro dipped? I've never heard about it till I saw this. There's the obvious anno, and some others. But I've never heard of hydro dipped.

Zoo · 06-24-2011, 03:55 PM

I would buy it for $150; that's a good deal.

Hydro-dipped (water transfer printing) is a newish process of applying graphics onto a surface. I have never looked closely at a gun that has been dipped, but most people say it is fairly durable if done correctly.

bumbabeef · 07-02-2011, 12:26 AM

sorry to hijack the thread but if you use a tank with a out put pressure of 600 is that enough or do you want something higher.

06-23-2011, 04:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
7usabball MCB Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Marlton, NJ	New to mags. Want some help Ok, so I always, always research before moving on and trying a new marker. I've been looking at mags for a while. There's just some things I don't understand, and some pricing I'm looking into. What are the differences between all the valve/bolt setups? And what would I be looking at pricing-wise? I'm using HPA. I don't mind what body I use, though I like the mini-mag look more. I am looking to spend less than $200 on one. Hopefully around $150. So what kind of set-ups am I looking at in this price range?

06-23-2011, 05:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Zoo MCB Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Blue Jackets' HQ	$150 is a decent price for a Minimag in good, shooting condition. As for valve & bolt info, I wrote a basic overview over on the A5OG forum when I was getting into Automags: link Can't seem to find the info thread over on the automags forums, but I'll post it if I do. Post up if you have any other questions. __________________ www.DeltaSquad.info & Facebook Trying to register on automags.org? PM 'Beemer' here to get you set up. Last edited by Zoo; 06-23-2011 at 05:28 PM.

06-23-2011, 05:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
tenchustealthx MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: North Carolina	After being a new mag owner for several months I have loved my minimag.I think i paid around 140 for mine but I'm sure if you shop around you can get one cheaper but mine was all chrome/SS(which is what I wanted).As for valves it seems to depend on how much paint you want to shoot.The classic/mini valve don't have the reactive trigger the r/t-x-valves do. Meaning the higher input pressure from your tank, the more reactive and higher possible rates of fire.I personally love the plain minimag valve that came on mine. The only real upgrade I would suggest is a level 10 bolt. I have shot 3 cases with mine and never worried about chopping paint at all.The last thing I would suggest is make sure your output pressure is above 800 on your tank cause I bought mine and found out my reg was only putting out 600 instead of 800 like it advertised.Nothing like getting a gun then finding out it wont cycle because of your tank. __________________ www.carolinasabers.com

06-24-2011, 06:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
tenchustealthx MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: North Carolina	If your not in a super hurry, shopping around you can find some mags that pop up with a lvl 10 in your price range.My friend got a rt classic with a lvl 10 and a intelliframe for around 175 in mint condition. Also lvl 7 isn't bad its just going to chop sometimes.If you get a rt even with a force fed it will chop some.Main thing is shop around if your not in a hurry.I bought my minimag and loved it so much I'm now piecing together a rt classic(needs lvl 10 and intelliframe for it also). __________________ www.carolinasabers.com

06-24-2011, 07:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
Zoo MCB Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Blue Jackets' HQ	If you have the level 10 bolt installed and it is tuned properly, it will not chop balls. The level 7 bolt would work fine if you don't plan on shooting more than 8 or 9 bps. Beyond that it tends to chop. And remember, if you have a good force-feed loader it will definitely help reduce chops. Expect to pay around $50-60 for a good Classic valve; around $90-100 for a good Emag, Retro, or RT-Pro valve; and expect to pay around $175 for a good X-Valve. The Intelliframe is a great frame. There are many trigger options for it to suit your feel. __________________ www.DeltaSquad.info & Facebook Trying to register on automags.org? PM 'Beemer' here to get you set up. Last edited by Zoo; 06-24-2011 at 08:00 AM.

06-23-2011, 04:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pr3mium MCB Member Join Date: Feb 2011	Actually my thread. Forgot to log out of my brothers account. Letting you know just in case anyone wants to pm about something.

06-24-2011, 01:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pr3mium MCB Member Join Date: Feb 2011	All of this has helped a lot. The guide especially. Now I just need to know what's in my price range. Is getting a level 10 bolt worth it? Or would it be in my price range even? Otherwise a level 7 is what I assume I'd be looking at. The Classic valve would be fine for me. I'm just using HPA, and won't need an expansion chamber or have to deal with liquid co2. Though I would like a RT valve. Again though, would the RT valve be in my price range? The autococker threaded ULE bodies are nice. But they're 3rd on my list I believe? in importance. I really don't care, and will take a twist style body. I just like center feed. Was never a fan of offset bodies. Then next I suppose I would get an Intelliframe and a Classic Rail.

06-24-2011, 02:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pr3mium MCB Member Join Date: Feb 2011	So this would be a good deal for $150? And I mean a good deal, not just an average one. Lvl 10 bolt Drop forward Foregrip adapter Lvl 10 parts kit OTP barrel 32 degrees single trigger frame 68 automag A.I.R. valve RH feed I'd be switching to a double trigger frame. But if I was able to get this for around $150, would that be good? Also, what is hydro dipped? I've never heard about it till I saw this. There's the obvious anno, and some others. But I've never heard of hydro dipped.

06-24-2011, 03:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Zoo MCB Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Blue Jackets' HQ	I would buy it for $150; that's a good deal. Hydro-dipped (water transfer printing) is a newish process of applying graphics onto a surface. I have never looked closely at a gun that has been dipped, but most people say it is fairly durable if done correctly. __________________ www.DeltaSquad.info & Facebook Trying to register on automags.org? PM 'Beemer' here to get you set up.

07-02-2011, 12:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
bumbabeef Rec Poster Join Date: Mar 2011	sorry to hijack the thread but if you use a tank with a out put pressure of 600 is that enough or do you want something higher.

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