Mag trigger pull Question

pump · 03-21-2008, 06:26 AM

can anyone tell me what has a greater affect on the trigger pull

the On off Pin or the Bolt?

also what takes more distance to move?

because i can shorten and lighten one of them....but im wondering what gains will be had by it

secretweaponevan · 03-21-2008, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pump

can anyone tell me what has a greater affect on the trigger pull

the On off Pin or the Bolt?

also what takes more distance to move?

because i can shorten and lighten one of them....but im wondering what gains will be had by it

Probably the on/off pin, but there are many variables:
strength of bolt spring
LVL 10 kit tuning
input pressure and velocity if RT valve
velocity if classic valve
ULT kit
etc.

Clearush · 03-21-2008, 10:25 AM

the on/off has the most effect which is where you get the ult kit for mags.

sdawg · 03-21-2008, 10:38 AM

Doesn't the ULT kit require an RT X or E valve?

Clearush · 03-21-2008, 12:10 PM

yeah, sortof. sometimes you can get it to work in classic valves though.

Though from what I understand dropping a rt on/off into a classic valve can be like adding a ult to rt or x valve.

Sir Brass · 03-21-2008, 12:21 PM

The feel of the shot is mostly due to the reciprocating mass of the bolt. The on/off and valve have the most effect on the trigger pull and the RT effect on your finger.

One thing I love about how a mag shoots is that she "talks" to you. There's actually a response feel in the gun. Not a kick, or recoil, but a reaction both in the marker itself, and in the trigger resetting. Very unique feel.

usagi_tetsu · 03-21-2008, 01:42 PM

I've dropped RT on/offs in a couple of my Classic valves and have been happy with them so far. Of course, the possibility of short-stroking is a lot higher, so you have to watch yourself, and using a higher-feed rate hopper is a must. I won't run anything less than a Ricochet Apache on any of them, and they're still all mechanical.

Cunha · 03-21-2008, 02:04 PM

IMO the best thing you can do is run an I frame on your classic and call it a day. All of the other On off's just make the gun weird.

olinar · 03-21-2008, 04:20 PM

Apparently the most effective way of using the rt on/off is with luke's sear mod.

Lukescustoms.com

he modifies yor sear so that the trigger pull is shorter but its also heavier. The rt on/off will then make the pull lighter.

pump · 03-21-2008, 05:18 PM

So were all saying the On Off makes the pull harder more than the Bolt?

03-21-2008, 06:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
pump Seasoned Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: under Kapiolani on ramp	Mag trigger pull Question can anyone tell me what has a greater affect on the trigger pull the On off Pin or the Bolt? also what takes more distance to move? because i can shorten and lighten one of them....but im wondering what gains will be had by it __________________ Hawaiipb.com Autotriggers For Sale

03-21-2008, 10:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Clearush MCB Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: HTown, TX	the on/off has the most effect which is where you get the ult kit for mags. __________________ Carter's Commando Texas division Black Watch Scenario Paintball Team My SCP Feedback Ebay Feedback MCB Feedback

03-21-2008, 10:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
sdawg MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas	Doesn't the ULT kit require an RT X or E valve? __________________ Everybody: Let's ease up on the red loctite, 'kay? Thanks. Feedback

03-21-2008, 12:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
Clearush MCB Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: HTown, TX	yeah, sortof. sometimes you can get it to work in classic valves though. Though from what I understand dropping a rt on/off into a classic valve can be like adding a ult to rt or x valve. __________________ Carter's Commando Texas division Black Watch Scenario Paintball Team My SCP Feedback Ebay Feedback MCB Feedback

03-21-2008, 01:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
usagi_tetsu Active Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO	I've dropped RT on/offs in a couple of my Classic valves and have been happy with them so far. Of course, the possibility of short-stroking is a lot higher, so you have to watch yourself, and using a higher-feed rate hopper is a must. I won't run anything less than a Ricochet Apache on any of them, and they're still all mechanical. __________________ WWVD? Sometimes, you just have to ask yourself, "What would Velcor do?" My Feedback TOG

03-21-2008, 02:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cunha MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Monterey, CA	IMO the best thing you can do is run an I frame on your classic and call it a day. All of the other On off's just make the gun weird.

03-21-2008, 04:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
olinar MCB Member Join Date: Feb 2007	Apparently the most effective way of using the rt on/off is with luke's sear mod. Lukescustoms.com he modifies yor sear so that the trigger pull is shorter but its also heavier. The rt on/off will then make the pull lighter.

03-21-2008, 05:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
pump Seasoned Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: under Kapiolani on ramp	So were all saying the On Off makes the pull harder more than the Bolt? __________________ Hawaiipb.com Autotriggers For Sale

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