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Originally Posted by ThePixelGuru

There's pretty much no point in making twist-lock bodies anymore. If there are no twist-lock barrels being made, why bother making twist-lock bodies?

I had about 15 twist lock barrels, couldnt sell them.
Ended up giving them away.
No one to speak of wants twist lock junk.
Bodies are too heavy, the barrels are too heavy, cant use them on other markers.....etc.
Basically the twist lock bodies and barrels dont sell.
Thats why they probably are history at AGD.

[aqua_scummm]

I've been buying them left and right.

But I guess I'm nobody to speak of

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Originally Posted by aqua_scummm

I've been buying them left and right.

But I guess I'm nobody to speak of

In the big business picture, you are correct.
You are one person.
Probably takes thousands a year buying them for AGD to recoup their investment in making them. My guess is they probably couldnt even make it to hundreds much less thousands buying them.

[JKR]

I guess twistlocks are popular enough for PPS to make them, even offering different options with regards to length, finish, and porting.

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Originally Posted by JKR

I guess twistlocks are popular enough for PPS to make them, even offering different options with regards to length, finish, and porting.

What would be really interesting to know is how many sales they actually
have of the twist locks (not how many barrels but how many sales transactions) .

I'm pretty confident that the amout of people on the PPS prebuy list would show why AGD stopped selling them.
Also arent they (PPS) getting like $75.00 each for them ?
AGD would have them in stock till the end of time for that price, people wouldnt pay that.

[Litespeed]

Sure hope AGD does not go under.

Simply love my LVL-X, ULT, Tac-One.

So much so that i'm considering selling my Blazer for she is getting no love, and i've sold my Pneumag and other electros.

I always enjoyed my classic mag, but the Tac blows it out of the water. It seriously comptetes with electros without all the hassle, but i'm preaching to the choir here.

AGD just needs to get the word out, or let people get there hands on these.

I've got one buddy, old school die hard cocker fan with a E2'd BM that is going to get a ULE custom, and another seriously interested. This is how it starts. I know i'm in the older generation now (30 and up), but in fear of the cliche, you cannot beat quality. AGD may sell less markers, but if they can just reduce their products to a few great quality markers, then they hopefully can survive without going to one of the large distributors.....

Oh, and the twist lock design was ingenious, just as other have stated, SS barrels and bodies are just too heavy when lighter weight material exist... Now, i'm not the biggest fan of the cocker thread count/pitch ( I even preferred ICD threads to cocker), but it has become the established norm, so might as well follow suite.

[b-cuzz]

Originally Posted by ThePixelGuru

There's pretty much no point in making twist-lock bodies anymore. If there are no twist-lock barrels being made, why bother making twist-lock bodies?

It would be for the old-schoolers (like myself) who still have half a dozen or so twistlock barrels that they can still get some use out of. I still enjoy my TL. I'm saying this AFTER I bought a centerfeed TL body and had to dremel out the hole in the barrel for the paint to feed.
That, and I believe that since the human mind doesn't want to feel old, it therefore refuses to accept that whatever equipment that person uses was obsolete ten years ago. IMHO, if I had to keep upgrading my gun (spending more money) to use it the way I always have, I think I'd get fed up pretty quick (bad).

Just trying to keep everyone happy. Anything anyone will do will gain some customers and lose others. I'd just like to see the losses at a minimum.

Sorry to go so far off topic, but I believed the point was valid, if irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Craig Palmer

I made around 40 blanks.. The machine is still setup, so NOW is the time to order. By May 16th the machine will be running another job. After the 16th some 14" blanks will be in stock. We can cut them down or vent them as orders require.


I put up an old picture. We will put up a new pic sometime next week.

PPS AGD barrel


BTW... you might want to order it before Lori gets a chance to increase the price on Monday.

He may end up making 40 barrels, boy thats sure a groundswell of twist lock users

( taken from AO here : Automags.Org Online Forums - Palmer's say YES to doing Twist lock barrels! )

[ThePixelGuru]

Originally Posted by b-cuzz

It would be for the old-schoolers (like myself) who still have half a dozen or so twistlock barrels that they can still get some use out of. I still enjoy my TL. I'm saying this AFTER I bought a centerfeed TL body and had to dremel out the hole in the barrel for the paint to feed.
That, and I believe that since the human mind doesn't want to feel old, it therefore refuses to accept that whatever equipment that person uses was obsolete ten years ago. IMHO, if I had to keep upgrading my gun (spending more money) to use it the way I always have, I think I'd get fed up pretty quick (bad).

Just trying to keep everyone happy. Anything anyone will do will gain some customers and lose others. I'd just like to see the losses at a minimum.

Sorry to go so far off topic, but I believed the point was valid, if irrelevant.

Of all my markers, only 2 of them actually even have barrel threads...

As I recall, another problem with the twist-locks was that it meant the 'mag had a variable size breach, not exactly great when you're trying to make a consistently-working bolt.

[cockerpunk]

well since you can't make an aluminum AIR valve, thats just purely BS.

theres a dang good reason why classics, and everything else untill the X was stainless, becuase it has to be. until the advent of some really strong 7000 series almuniums, aluminum just is not strong enough, and since its softer, is harder to machine to the accuracy you need in a mag. hense, the X valve being made of 7000 series. a classic would cost the same as an X from a production standpoint - so why even bother?

i think AGD is right where they want to be, and can last a good long time with the setup they have now.