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Old 10-03-2006, 05:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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lvl 10 and pump kits

Just wondering about the combining the two and if it can cause trouble. I am expecting to have a hard time balancing/tuning the level 10 to not chop but still keep the bolt spring weak enough that it won't just reset itself and run in semi.

anyone have experiance with this?
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If you are using it as a pump, what is the point of the anti-chop? Are you going to be shooting it fast enough to chop?
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If you are using it as a pump, what is the point of the anti-chop? Are you going to be shooting it fast enough to chop?
I will second this as well. I had a pump Mag and there is no reason for a level 10. In fact the previous owner of it put a level 10 on, but that was just to see if he could do it. It is just easier and more efficient to use a classic valve and a level 7 bolt.
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stay w/ the level 7/ lvl10 is completely unneccessary.
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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From what I understand Lvl 10 just isn't nearly as efficient as level 7. Seems like that'd be about the same as leaving an e-frame on a sniper II. Does it help, no, it just wastes batteries and makes e-cocker users angry

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it's just because I'm going to have another level 10 bolt around anyway. It will probably end up with an SC feed and I do kind of worry about an open bolt gun that won't have a ball stack to help keep the ball in the breach durring slides/fat man tumbles.

efficiency isn't a big deal to me on this gun because I don't think it will ever be a very efficient pump.
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Well, if I understand that you are worried about keeping a ball in the breech, then you can use a force fed loader of some sort and it may help. Otherwise, a closed bolt is the only other type of marker that would keep a ball in the breech/bore during a tumble or slide.
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Okay.. but can the two be combined.. I have a RT ule pro that I was debating throwing a pump kit on. As I do not have a level 7 bolt I figured I leave the level 10 on..

Sorry to thread jack but its an issue I need to adress too
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the biggest issue I have seen with converting some of the rts and ULEs is the rail. The rt rail was longer than the classic rail so you may have to run a longer pump rod or get an older rail.

running a force feed loader on gun that I want an SC feed on seems a bit odd. I have seen the warped phantoms that WWA did a few years ago but not really interested.
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Sorry, I didn't know you were using a SC feed. In that case, get a type of spring feed mechinism to keep pressure on the balls. Honestly, I really don't think you are going to have to worry about it too much. Just go out and play with it and then see what you need to do about the ball stack. Either it will be fine or you will see what the problem (if any) is and you can address it then!

Also, I think you can generally get a good 20-25 shots off of a 12gm if you are going stock class with it and you have a classic valve. I am almost positive that if you try to use the level 10, you will be getting a few less shots, maybe like closer to 20 or less.
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