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aqua_scummm 12-13-2006 12:58 AM

A disproprtionate amount of wood grips?
 
After view the AGD picture thread (I'll be buying one after xmas, so I like to look), it seemed there was an unusual amount of wood grips compared to other markers. Are they more available or something? Those of you that have them, are there any affordable ones besides the Smart Parts ones? I looooove wood, and wouldn't mind having a set on my marker :)

Thanks

kidneythief 12-13-2006 01:25 AM

They are SP wood grips and yes they were selling for $10 a pop on eBay a while back...there is an abundance of them. I dont think there are any other brands commercialy available.

-Jake

shartley 12-13-2006 06:52 AM

Yes. And I will add that I think there is a disproportionate number of them simply because the market did not buy them up like the others did.

Drum 12-13-2006 07:17 AM

Smart Parts grips are the single best product to ever come out of that "wicked" company, imho.

They fit well, look good and come in a large variety of color schemes. I have the SP grips on all of my .45 and Sheridan-style grip framed guns; Blazers, Typhoons, you name it.

Very good product.

As for the over-abundance, the Gardners probably had them made in China or somewhere in very large quantities, hence the surplus and low price.

Most likely, it is an effort on the part of "Satan Parts" to put all of the small-time wood grip crafters out of business.

:rolleyes:

shartley 12-13-2006 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 68239)
Smart Parts grips are the single best product to ever come out of that "wicked" company, imho.

They fit well, look good and come in a large variety of color schemes. I have the SP grips on all of my .45 and Sheridan-style grip framed guns; Blazers, Typhoons, you name it.

Very good product.

As for the over-abundance, the Gardners probably had them made in China or somewhere in very large quantities, hence the surplus and low price.

Most likely, it is an effort on the part of "Satan Parts" to put all of the small-time wood grip crafters out of business.

:rolleyes:

Very true on most parts… SP’s wooden grips are by far the best bang for your buck when it comes to wooden grips. And yes, they probably had them mass produced by some outside source (probably in China or similar country). But that does not explain the over abundance of MAG wooden grips as opposed to what looks to be similar but are not for Mags. That IMHO is because of the reason I posted above. I believe that they probably made both versions in similar numbers but the Mag grips probably just didn’t sell as many.

As for it being an effort on SP to put all of the “small-time” wood grip crafters out of business… LOL That made me laugh. I think you know that is not the case nor do their grips really affect “small-time” grip crafters. I know personally that I was able to sell more grips than I could make and at prices that were much higher than the SP grips have ever been, but of course for obvious reasons. I think there is a market for both hand crafted grips as well as mass produced wooden grips. Heck, I would love to craft a set of grips and have them mass produced so they could sell for a more “market friendly” price.

So as it stands SP is the source for those grips and I am happy that folks can still get them.

I do realize though that your comment was tongue in cheek, but you never know what folks may think now days. ;) After all, didn’t SP ruin the sport and close down all other businesses anyways? :D

Robertsr 12-13-2006 08:32 AM

I think that mag owners really like their guns, and have a limited number of ways to make them pretty.

Drum 12-13-2006 09:45 AM

I am not sure that I get your statement about an abundance of Mag grips. Don't mags take the same grip design as Sheridan pistols?

As for your laughter about small grip makers being put out of business by SP.... are you still making any grips?

I do not intend to insist that it was SP grips that made you decide to stop offering custom grips, but it seems ironic that you would laugh at such an assertion.

And I wasn't referring to you when I typed that, Sam. I have a friend here who made custom plastic grips that had similar swirls of color and finger grooves just like the SP grips. After trying to sell his grip for $20+, he was stymied by the flood of cheap grips coming from his "neighbor" Smart Parts.

D.

shartley 12-13-2006 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 68273)
I am not sure that I get your statement about an abundance of Mag grips. Don't mags take the same grip design as Sheridan pistols?

As for your laughter about small grip makers being put out of business by SP.... are you still making any grips?

I do not intend to insist that it was SP grips that made you decide to stop offering custom grips, but it seems ironic that you would laugh at such an assertion.

And I wasn't referring to you when I typed that, Sam. I have a friend here who made custom plastic grips that had similar swirls of color and finger grooves just like the SP grips. After trying to sell his grip for $20+, he was stymied by the flood of cheap grips coming from his "neighbor" Smart Parts.

D.

Ask around and I think you will find that there are slight differences between the two SP grips that look the same.

As for me not making grips and the connection between that and SP’s wooden grips… you are correct in your second statement on the matter. My making grips or not had nothing to do with SP or the availability of cheap wooden grips. Heck, they were available and being used when I was at the height of my grip making. They were never my competition. That does not mean I was “better” than they were, but that simply put those who purchased my grips wanted something custom and not mass produced.

I do understand the rubber/plastic grip market though. However, that is a bit of a different beast IMHO.

I will also state that I believe the ability for businesses to reach the customers is as much a factor as the fact they have a competing product. People tend to (as a whole) purchase products from the same places if they can help it… they get the marker, grips, and other gear in a one stop shopping experience. The smaller guys simply can’t get their products in the same places (with a few exceptions). This hurts their sales IMHO more than the prices or even the number of competitors out there.

I also don’t think SP actually was trying to push anyone out of business with their grips. Heck, I am sure we both know that if you pick up SP grips and a few other similar grips on the market, you will find that they are virtually identical and probably made in the same factory, just branded and packaged for a different company.

But this is all academic… small businesses have always had a harder time competing on the open market compared to the larger ones. But that does not mean the intent of the larger business is always to force the smaller ones out of business. Sometimes that is the case, but in this case I don’t see it in this situation. The same as I don’t think there was a conscious effort from larger companies to make head coverings that look almost identical to my Ban-du so they can force me out of the market. I think it was a natural progression of products and they capitalized on their ability to mass produce them and get them in front of potential customers.

And please do not think I am saying my Ban-du was a totally original idea. Sandana made similar (but had notably different aspects) longer head coverings, but they seemed to then focus on the more “biker” style what had no “tails” or neck covering. And I capitalized on the fact the folks seemed to want those other features and could not readily find any. Again, it is the natural progression of business. And now larger companies have seen the desire as well and capitalized on their abilities to provide it as well.

This is all business. The nature of the beast will force smaller businesses out of the market far more often than any “intent” by the larger businesses. Again, that does not mean it does not happen (the intent of forcing smaller businesses out), but that it should not always be assumed it is what happened because a smaller business simply could not compete.

Bored383 12-13-2006 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 68239)
Smart Parts grips are the single best product to ever come out of that "wicked" company, imho.

werd

I love em

wolf13 12-13-2006 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drum (Post 68239)
Smart Parts grips are the single best product to ever come out of that "wicked" company, imho.


Agreed. I have about 15 sets, but have lately been looking to get a few other styles besides SP's to match some of the more difficult annos. Wood grips grant a style that rubber/plastic never will. on mags especially they match exceptionally well by adding color and a texture.


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