Would this 'noid work? - Page 2

DeTrevni · 02-26-2007, 02:00 PM

Wewt! Thanks man! Those are the specs for the MAC I posted? Awesome.

Rainman229 · 02-26-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Machina

It's not the same RM solenoid, but of the same design. It is smaller, and IIRC, the dimensions are on the Tinker's Guild somewhere. Give me a minute and I'll try to track it down.

Even the original RM 'noid slips quite nicely into the top of a new-Shocker frame, so the 'smallest' one Haveblue carries should be nice and little.

I know there not the same as the rm ones. But a bunch a beog guys asked haveblue to stock a replacement and thats what he decided to stock for them. These valves are also close to the replacment eairly Viking valves.

K_Obeastly · 02-27-2007, 02:14 AM

not to tempt anyone into doing it but I believe many of the valves will take a bit more than the 5V recommended. I know I have put almost 9 to some of mine from homemade boards. There would have been a small (.7 I think) voltage drop across the transistor and another across one inline resistor but I started giving them almost as much as I could and found them to cycle more reliably. I remember some of the aftermarket matrix boards used to brag about a higher voltage to the noid for better reaction time and such.

DeTrevni · 02-27-2007, 03:55 AM

Well, someone on PBN (don't say it...) mentioned a flaw in my plan. It was pointed out to me that the board only has 1 signal for the sear 'noid: release. Is a second signal going to be needed to operate a 4-way valve and double action ram? Or am I now officially stuck using a spring return ram with a 3-way?

Deus Machina · 02-27-2007, 08:06 AM

Nope. The 'noid just routes air one way when it's off, the other when it's on. Think of it as a 'cocker 4-way--air is holding the ram forward, and only pushes it back when you pull the trigger.
So just do what I do in the case of PBN: assume anything anyone says there is wrong, until you confirm otherwise.

DeTrevni · 02-27-2007, 08:50 AM

That's whay I thought. Just had to clarify that. 'Tis why I posted that here.

DeTrevni · 02-27-2007, 07:03 PM

Sorry for the double, but the retort:

But think about it, you are going to be plugging in the noid instead of the sear noid, the sear noid only recieved one signal(to release), then when the signal turned off, the magnet pushed it back up. the board does not suppert anything other than a 2 or a 3 way. Which means the air will go into the noid, and when u pull the trigger, it will only come out of one hole and when u release, it will stop. This mean we are going to need a 2 or a 3 way noid and a spring return ram.

I need some confirmations here. When I think about it, he's right. When classic mode is used, there is one signal ('noid click) when the trigger is pulled, and a signal on the release. Wouldn't that mean that 2 signals actually is required?

K_Obeastly · 02-27-2007, 07:36 PM

the noids are a on/off device. They have two wires, this means they either have current flowing or they don't. When the current is flowing they are on. When the current stops flowing they turn off.

With classic mode you pull the trigger and the sear noid gets current just long enough to let the hammer go, then current is cut off and it turns off and the spring or magnet returns it to its off position. After the hammer is let go the recocking noid starts to get current and it turns on pushing the ram and back block to the back, it continues to get current and it stays on until you release the trigger. When you release the trigger it stops getting current and turns off and the ram and back block return to the normal closed position.

Typically if it is a device that is going to require multiple signals and not just power/no power it is going to have more than two wires. In this case you would have two power wires that will always be hot/on and a signal cable that may or may not carry a signal/current/voltage depending on what method is used for signal transmission.

K_Obeastly · 02-27-2007, 07:45 PM

and yes you will need a spring return ram or you can switch to a 4 way noid on that ram and have air both ways. The 3 and 4 way electronic valves will run on the same signal.

DeTrevni · 02-27-2007, 07:52 PM

Yeah, I already abandoned the little 3-way for a beefier 4-way. No idea where I'm gonna put it though...

02-27-2007, 02:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
K_Obeastly Seasoned Member Join Date: Jul 2006	not to tempt anyone into doing it but I believe many of the valves will take a bit more than the 5V recommended. I know I have put almost 9 to some of mine from homemade boards. There would have been a small (.7 I think) voltage drop across the transistor and another across one inline resistor but I started giving them almost as much as I could and found them to cycle more reliably. I remember some of the aftermarket matrix boards used to brag about a higher voltage to the noid for better reaction time and such. __________________ I b da fat one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oERRPtEf8EM Glen Benton: doing more to convert me to christianity by 6 A.M. than most christians do all day.

02-27-2007, 07:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
K_Obeastly Seasoned Member Join Date: Jul 2006	the noids are a on/off device. They have two wires, this means they either have current flowing or they don't. When the current is flowing they are on. When the current stops flowing they turn off. With classic mode you pull the trigger and the sear noid gets current just long enough to let the hammer go, then current is cut off and it turns off and the spring or magnet returns it to its off position. After the hammer is let go the recocking noid starts to get current and it turns on pushing the ram and back block to the back, it continues to get current and it stays on until you release the trigger. When you release the trigger it stops getting current and turns off and the ram and back block return to the normal closed position. Typically if it is a device that is going to require multiple signals and not just power/no power it is going to have more than two wires. In this case you would have two power wires that will always be hot/on and a signal cable that may or may not carry a signal/current/voltage depending on what method is used for signal transmission. __________________ I b da fat one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oERRPtEf8EM Glen Benton: doing more to convert me to christianity by 6 A.M. than most christians do all day.

02-27-2007, 07:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
K_Obeastly Seasoned Member Join Date: Jul 2006	and yes you will need a spring return ram or you can switch to a 4 way noid on that ram and have air both ways. The 3 and 4 way electronic valves will run on the same signal. __________________ I b da fat one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oERRPtEf8EM Glen Benton: doing more to convert me to christianity by 6 A.M. than most christians do all day.

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02-26-2007, 02:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	Wewt! Thanks man! Those are the specs for the MAC I posted? Awesome.

02-27-2007, 03:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	Well, someone on PBN (don't say it...) mentioned a flaw in my plan. It was pointed out to me that the board only has 1 signal for the sear 'noid: release. Is a second signal going to be needed to operate a 4-way valve and double action ram? Or am I now officially stuck using a spring return ram with a 3-way?

02-27-2007, 08:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	That's whay I thought. Just had to clarify that. 'Tis why I posted that here.

02-27-2007, 07:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	Sorry for the double, but the retort: But think about it, you are going to be plugging in the noid instead of the sear noid, the sear noid only recieved one signal(to release), then when the signal turned off, the magnet pushed it back up. the board does not suppert anything other than a 2 or a 3 way. Which means the air will go into the noid, and when u pull the trigger, it will only come out of one hole and when u release, it will stop. This mean we are going to need a 2 or a 3 way noid and a spring return ram. I need some confirmations here. When I think about it, he's right. When classic mode is used, there is one signal ('noid click) when the trigger is pulled, and a signal on the release. Wouldn't that mean that 2 signals actually is required?

02-27-2007, 07:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	Yeah, I already abandoned the little 3-way for a beefier 4-way. No idea where I'm gonna put it though...