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Old 07-03-2011, 11:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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best valve type for liquid co2?

i have a project i realy want to start and one of the aims is 12gram liquid co2 powered, what is the best type of valve for this, i.e sheridan, nelson, sterling,

also what mech markers can run liquid co2 with out breaking as i assume a mech cocker can't use liquid due to the hoses and lpr.
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I have run Sheridans, Nelsons and all my Tippmanns on liquid in the past with no problems in them. You are correct that autocockers do not like liquid, the same can be said of 'mags. One of the biggest challenges is the type of O=rings used. some O-rings adsorb the liquid CO2 and swell (think the standard black ones especially). You "may" be able to get other guns not normally used with liquid going by changing the type of O-rings used, but I can't guarantee that.
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I have run Sheridans, Nelsons and all my Tippmanns on liquid in the past with no problems in them. You are correct that autocockers do not like liquid, the same can be said of 'mags. One of the biggest challenges is the type of O=rings used. some O-rings adsorb the liquid CO2 and swell (think the standard black ones especially). You "may" be able to get other guns not normally used with liquid going by changing the type of O-rings used, but I can't guarantee that.
yea o-rings + co2 are bad, but one type are ok with co2 so my plan was use that type, i just forgot what they are again
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Lube the hell out of the Autococker if your going to use C02. Also, an anti-siphon tank would help. Consider using HPA though.
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Lube the hell out of the Autococker if your going to use C02. Also, an anti-siphon tank would help. Consider using HPA though.
no i want to know what type of marker will work best for my liquid co2 steampunk project lol
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Lube the hell out of the Autococker if your going to use C02. Also, an anti-siphon tank would help. Consider using HPA though.
No need for that... Cockers will function well on Co2 without copious amounts of lube. Use the correct oil and the correct amount, and there won't be a problem.

I would really have to say that a Sheridan valve train setup would work best with liquid - Nelsons usually have a very small valve chamber that doesn't really work well with liquid. Hybrid Nelsons, like Sterlings and Apoc's Falcons, work well on gas, but I'm not too sure on liquid.

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i have a project i realy want to start and one of the aims is 12gram liquid co2 powered, what is the best type of valve for this, i.e sheridan, nelson, sterling,
Does that mean the 12gram will be upside down? in that case you might be limited on the valve orientation. ie older Brass Eagle guns had the top-mounted valve which might make it easier. Otherwise, I've run all the main types of liquid. All seem to work well.

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The main technical limitation is the LPR. When liquid co2 gets past the lpr, the lpr can no longer regulate, and the liquid flashes to 800psi. This locks up the ram, and eventually blows hoses.

That said, most factory cockers have a basic pressure relief valve, allowing cockers to handle small amounts of liquid to vent before the pressure rises to high.

But it can be done with better regs. (ie Rock/stab). Look at the vector. It could run a siphon tank.
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ok, the 12 grams were going to be upside down unless i can find some syphon tanks in date and uk spec
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I didn't mean to use a whole bottle xD

I was responding to your part about mech cockers.

Just 1-2 drops into the v.asa, 3-way, and the ram. If your taking your cocker apart, adds a drop to the valve o-rings.
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