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Dougefreshe 11-21-2012 07:13 PM

Scuba tank set-up help
 
Hello all
Im trying to set up a shooting gallery running off a 80cf scuba tank.
Would like to run 2 guns directly from the tank.

Need to know what i need from the tank to regulate it for use on the guns.
Or whatever i would need to do it.

And if possible where to purchase. (dont mention bauer i dont have 2000$ for a 2ft hose)
Thx

oldschool45 11-21-2012 08:28 PM

Dougefreshe,
what guns and what input pressure do they like? They make rigs so that you can run air-tools off of a scuba tank but those take the pressure all the way down to 125psi.
I'm guessing you'd need an unbalanced 1st stage scuba regulator. Or you could go cheaper and get a Scuba fill adapter. The big question here is what could take 3500psi input pressure and bring it down into sub 1000psi range for your guns to work off of? Then use a y splitter to 2 remote lines.
My neanderthal self would grab a HPA tank valve/reg and tap the tank side for 1/8" NPT then screw that into an ASA and 2 remote lines and be done with it. But this grab a HPA tank valve/reg and tap the tank side for 1/8" NPT then screw that into an ASA is a sketchy (safety wise) move that I don't know that I'd trust other peoples safety to.
Why run an 80cf tank why not a 100?

SHAG 11-21-2012 08:28 PM

How good are your high pressure plumbing skills?

The unit I use is a scuba paintball fill yoke and a specially made Palmer Stabilizer that regulates from 3000 PSI to 900 Max PSI. I use this set up for gun testing to tire filling and changing.

A more cost effective solution would be to connect a compressed air tank to a SCUBA fill yoke with a piece of steel braided hose.


Tank with fill yoke--->steel braid hose (3' long)----> 3000/48 steel tank ----> coiled remotes rigged to come off the 3000/48 tank with the use of high pressure rated hydraulic fittings.


The coupler on the fill yoke would be removed as well as the fill nipple. Use an appropriate thread sealant. Loctite makes a thread sealant rated up to 6000 PSI. I found it at a truck supply store. The hose would allow alternate secured mounting locations within the shooting gallery. If you cannot find the steel braided, you can use hydraulic hose rated for 3000 PSI. A local hydraulic shop may have the 1/8 inch NPT fittings to crimp onto the correct hose. The other issue hydraulic hose does not coil up as tight as a thinner steel braid since the bending radius is different. While at the shop you can inquire about high pressure steel fittings to make dual remotes. You will need an 1/8 inch NPT Female T with a Male bull or Female X Male X Female.

C/A adapter ---> T fitting ---> remote hoses with slide checks or quick D couplers with ASA adapters.

When it comes time to airing the air system up, make sure the bleeder valve on the filler yoke is closed. Turn the tank on slowly until fully pressurized. Make sure all fittings are tested for leaks. Secure the bottles to a sturdy place like a thick post with straps. When I set up the make shift fill station at the team's makeshift location, I strap the tanks a fence post we have in the staging area.

I have seen this rig in many paintball tanks for the defense armament. Good luck I hope this helps.

oldschool45 11-21-2012 08:41 PM

SHAG,
duh! why didn't I think of that! I didn't think about it that way because I'm used to using scuba tanks for there intended purpose:bang:

Dougefreshe 11-21-2012 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldschool45 (Post 2540697)
Dougefreshe,
what guns and what input pressure do they like? They make rigs so that you can run air-tools off of a scuba tank but those take the pressure all the way down to 125psi.
I'm guessing you'd need an unbalanced 1st stage scuba regulator. Or you could go cheaper and get a Scuba fill adapter. The big question here is what could take 3500psi input pressure and bring it down into sub 1000psi range for your guns to work off of? Then use a y splitter to 2 remote lines.
My neanderthal self would grab a HPA tank valve/reg and tap the tank side for 1/8" NPT then screw that into an ASA and 2 remote lines and be done with it. But this grab a HPA tank valve/reg and tap the tank side for 1/8" NPT then screw that into an ASA is a sketchy (safety wise) move that I don't know that I'd trust other peoples safety to.
Why run an 80cf tank why not a 100?

Lol i thought about something like that and came to the same safety conclusion. This needs to set up for use in an arcade. and prefer to only blow up myself.

As far as 80cf. I thought that was the largest alum tank.And they only weight 37lbs filled.

Dougefreshe 11-21-2012 10:42 PM

Hey shag
As far as the palmers stab
cost? Where could i get
could i T off of it to both guns.
could i adjust its output

As far as my skills.
I almost shart myself the first time i had 1.8 burst disc blow and did when i got slapped by my fill station nipple when it blew.
So i am very cautious. But capable of rigging up something.
I would just have the father in law test it. I am in his will.

blackrain 11-21-2012 11:29 PM

Here you go. READ CAREFULLY , CALL AND TALK WITH PPS they can help you with what you need and want. I think this cost me $109 a few yrs back. As mentioned, it's best if you talk with PPS about what you want to do. I shoot high pressure on all my guns, even the low pressure ones I own. Hope this helps.
Later,
Blackrain




Palmer Stabalizer on a scuba Tank:

NOTE:
Tell Palmers Pursuit what size Scuba tank you have. 3000 PSI Aluminum or 4500 PSI Steel. They will need this information.

If you are uncomfortable using tools or are unsure of what needs to be done,seek the proper people that can help.


Ask all questions you need to about High Pressure and Low Pressure prior to buying your Stabalizer. I gave Lori the operating pressure of my Scuba tank. I told here I wanted an Out Put operating pressure of 0-800 PSI High Pressure. she made her recommendations to me, which was perfect. Basically now I have a large Bottle to do all my testing and Grenade making with.

We had a nice conversation and she as always like everyone at PPS was very helpful. She even apologized for it not being able to go out till the next day,because the Stabalizer had to be built for the proper specs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...-black_LRG.jpg


So what I now have is a perfect set up that will make me or anyone else happy.

So give PPS a call and tell them what your needs are.



If you or anyone out there has ever had any doubts about Palmers Pursuit Palmers Pursuit Shop!, Where Custom Still Means Something get them out of your head now.

The burning question on MCB "Ask the expert" was about hooking up a scuba tank to a paintball gun.
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/ask-exp...k-question.html

Lots of question and replies with ideas and and fixes. Then someone in the thread mention Palmers Pursuit Stabalizer. I went to PPS site and looked around. The next day I was on the line with Lori. Told her my needs of Out Put and In put air and she took great care of me.

This was probably the best $109 dollars I have ever spent in paintball. Although it ate my paintball budget up for the weekend and I couldn't play, it was well worth it.

This is what came in the mail:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi001.jpg

Now alot of people will say that's alot of money,but we all spend money on paintball mods that are absolutley useless. I really see no sense of running my scuba tank into my tank attached to my gun. I'm only testing it, not filling my tank.

That's me, I like to do several things with one set up. It just saves alot of time for me. Also I have a few ASA plugs laying around.

I would advise to take the guage option. It was very helpful during adjustment. I still have a few thousand dry shots left to break in the reg, like all regs require a break in time. Now that I have a test area, I might as well shoot all the old paint I have.

It's very easy to attach. Just get your fill adapter and remove the fill nipple. Put some thread tape on the Stabalizer threads and screw it in, then tighten down with a wrench.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi002.jpg


Then I added the hose. This remote hose had a quick disconnect and a slide check. This is perfect for my set up that I need. I purchased this Extreme Rage remote hose from a local shop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi003.jpg

If you don't have a remote hose, PPS does sell the entire unit together minus the yoke,which you will need.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ine-remote.gif

The Stabalizer came pre set at 400 PSI, which was a great starting point for me. I soon adjusted it to 700 PSI. Eventually I'll move it up to 800 PSI. I'll wait till I break it in some more.

So whoever posted the idea of using a PPS Stabalizer,thank you very much.
PPS, thank you very much for the great product.


I hope this has helped to clear up any questions that others need to know. Sorry I didn't get very in depth with this review,but it is really self explanitory.

Later,
Blackrain :D

Someone asked how to do the set up, so I'll add this:

Attach the filler to tank as normal:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi005.jpg

Put slide check in rear position:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi006.jpg

Put quick disconnect nipple in gun ASA with proper ASA adapter:
Leave the slide check in rear position.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi007.jpg

Slowly turn on tank. Watch your guages still they stabalize. Once that is done, open tank fully:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi010.jpg

Move slide check into forward position and shoot your gun:
It's really that simple.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...cubapsi008.jpg

Later,
Blackrain

oldschool45 11-22-2012 03:58 AM

Dougefreshe,
"As far as 80cf. I thought that was the largest alum tank.And they only weight 37lbs filled."

No they make 100cf tanks but 80's are by far the most common. I haven't checked prices in a few years but you may be able to buy a few used 80's and get them hydro'd fairly cheap.

Dive tanks have burst disc's. If you nearly soiled your pants when a 1.5k burst disc blew out you'll stroke out when it happens and 80 cubic feet or all of the air in a small walk in closet decide to blow one out. Takes about 6 minutes to vent and sounds like a fright train going by:eek:

Dougefreshe 11-22-2012 11:31 AM

Hey guys
Thanks for the help.
We will be going new on everything.as this is going in a mall and safety is a must.

The palmers looks to be the way to reg, so i will start with them. I have a feeling they will have answers for most of my remaining questions.
Thx blackrain.

I think my 5000 psi line is gonna be my most expensive item. So gonna hit up
my local welder and hydrolic shops. For more info.

If anyone has interest i will try to do a breakdown once im done.

Again thx

blackrain 11-22-2012 11:51 AM

I doubt you will even need a 5000 PSI line. PPS can help you out with that question as well :)

Later,
Blackrain :)


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