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tac0cat 02-20-2013 02:51 PM

spool vs poppit vs phantom?
 
Well, I feel I am knowledgable in the different types of actions that pumps use and the benefits to each system. It seems like there is a big debate when it comes to semi auto electro markers, why does one choose a spool over a poppit and vice versa? With the introduction of bob longs marker where you can change out valves I still dont fully understand the purpose, or why certain tournament players prefer one system over the other. So why question is, what makes each system more preferable to the other in the eyes of the buyer?

Nobody 02-20-2013 03:04 PM

spool is smoother no recoil, but higher maintenance and efficiency is ok(has gotten better and better since the early 2000's).
poppit is higher efficiency, easier maintenance, but recoil and noise(if you want to consider that a point) are worse.

its like automatic and stick shifts, they do the same thing(for PB, putting a ball down range), but accomplish it in different methods and some will say that one is better than the other. in the end, its all up to what the user likes.

as for the vcom from bob long, or whatever its called. this is the first of its kind, so the book hasn't even been made for it to be judged upon. as for judgement, its all about fell. why do some people like under pump handles, or through pumps handles? nelson or sheridan? people will like what they like. no two ways about it.

ApoC_101 02-20-2013 03:28 PM

Its mostly marketing honestly... High end poppets are very smooth and don't need to be improved upon in that regard, but the big name manufacturers still need some means to "one up" the competition, or at least offer a different take on high performance function.

Cunha 02-20-2013 03:39 PM

The best thing about poppits is that you can usually take out the little plastic bolt with just a single spring loaded pin and can clear out the entire breach that easily. With in line guns like nelsons or tippmanns or spoolies, the process is a little less convenient.

And there is no way I cant make any of my poppits including rt valved viking feel as smooth as my matrix. The system x name was pretty darn close but maybe the most current egos have slowed things down to the point where they are comparably smooth.. but I doubt it or else there would be no reason to buy a geo.

tac0cat 02-20-2013 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cunha (Post 2630718)
The best thing about poppits is that you can usually take out the little plastic bolt with just a single spring loaded pin and can clear out the entire breach that easily. With in line guns like nelsons or tippmanns or spoolies, the process is a little less convenient.

Thats a pretty good argument for using a stacked tube marker.

But for using a spoolie Im not exactly sure how a quieter gun in speedball matters all that much.

But i guess its nice to have options

Z3R0 02-20-2013 08:49 PM

Regarding the title of this thread - Phantoms are Nelsons which are poppets.

Myrkul 02-20-2013 08:49 PM

Poppets are stupid simple to maintain, and I shoot them just because I always have.

tac0cat 02-20-2013 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z3R0 (Post 2631046)
Regarding the title of this thread - Phantoms are Nelsons which are poppets.

The title was more of a joke about my lack of knowledge regarding semi auto's :p

heinous 02-21-2013 11:35 AM

i feel like they exist more to avoid each other's patents than anything else...

ReVerthex 02-22-2013 10:59 AM

The new Torque from J4 Paintball is a stacked tube spool (STS), gonna be pretty cool I rate :D

http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/...psefef000a.jpg


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