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Old 07-11-2013, 09:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Empire Ressurection or WGP Mech

For someone who would be considering picking up a mech marker, and was trying to decide between either the new Empire Ressurection or an older WGP Mech. What would be the pros and cons of one over the other?
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Cons and pros would be parts swapability/customization. You get more options with wgp. But the resurrection is an outstanding marker in itself
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It depends; does this person understand and feel competent with the tuning necessary for a 'Cocker? If so, the best financial route is to pick up a WGP and tune it/swap parts as you see fit. The Empire is really cool, and I'd love to have one. But I always look for the best value, and it's way cheaper to tweak a used 'Cocker than to buy the Empire.

However, going new, you do get a warranty and great customer support. So if you DON'T know how to keep one running, that becomes a factor.

Of course, anytime someone says "I want a mech marker", the first thing I always say anyway is "eNMEy"...
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If you need a barrel kit and don't want to do any work the Resurrection is phenominal. It shoots great, and the barrel kit is very good. The trigger is a snappy slide and is very easy to shoot properly. It is also lighter than most older cockers. It is a no hassle buy.

The other side of that is that it is way more expensive than a used WGP mech. But you will likely be evening out those savings by doing cleaning, repairs, reg rebuilds, and tuning on whatever you buy right away. (unless you buy from someone who knows what they are doing, and cares)

Every single autococker I have bought from Ebay has been in suboptimal working order when listed as ready to use. Not a problem for me, but might be for others. I just bought a green 2k3 mech with barrel kit for $75 shipped. I probably have an hour or two of work before it is really ready to roll/ resell and I have worked on a lot of autocockers. I will probably resell in perfect working order to a local for around $150 or trade for something.

Good paintball tech work will cost you $35+ an hour plus parts from most stores.

The last choice is to buy a nice used aftermarket cocker from a knowledgeable member here. For the price of the resurrection new you could pretty much have your pick of used cockers in good working order plus enough for a good tank and hopper.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:59 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks guys. To be honest I've never tech'd an autococker. I've converted plenty to pump but I've never done anything with pneumatics. With that being said I'd love to learn and was actually contemplating picking up something cheap to try and get my feet wet with AC teching.
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Anybody know if that Flash-based "Cocker Timing Game" is still out on the net anywhere? I learned on that yeeeaaarrrs ago, but last time I looked for it, it seemed to have vanished.
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AC tech is pretty intimidating at first but once you sit down and read through a tech article and really try to understand it, it kinda clicks into place. You really want to understand the mechanics of the firing. There's lot of visual guides out there.
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Anybody know if that Flash-based "Cocker Timing Game" is still out on the net anywhere? I learned on that yeeeaaarrrs ago, but last time I looked for it, it seemed to have vanished.
A game on teching autocockers? I'll get the mountain dew...
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Anybody know if that Flash-based "Cocker Timing Game" is still out on the net anywhere? I learned on that yeeeaaarrrs ago, but last time I looked for it, it seemed to have vanished.
Also I found it on an old pbnation thread.

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Old 07-11-2013, 08:19 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Cockers are not as hard as most people make them out to be. I was in the same boat as you awhile back. Bought a cocker without knowing anything about it. Cockers were king when I started in 1992 or so. I was able to teach myself with all the info on the net and was able to learn very fast and can build my own from scratch. The resurrection is a phenomenal cocker and shoots just awesome. The trigger is far and away the best part of it. Clamping feedneck, weight and on off asa are very nice too. It is good to go out of the box and needs nothing. My s5 is better in almost every way (not much), and cost me about 300 total, but I had to redo a lot on it.
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