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Old 08-07-2013, 01:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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To the autococker/sniper people...

Recently a terminology debate came up with some other players about what WGP based pumps should be called. Should all cockers with pump kits be called snipers? Or pump cockers? Or just pumps? "Snipers" doesn't seem right because most of them were never actually made as snipers. "Pumps" is way too genaric and can refer to any gun with a pump handle. "Pump cocker" seems to me to be the best fit because for the most part, they all started their life as autocockers and were converted to pumps somewhere along the line.

So as an ignorant Mag and Nelson guy, what is the appropriate terminology?
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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they all started their life as autocockers and were converted to pumps somewhere along the line.
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"Snipers" doesn't seem right because most of them were never actually made as snipers.
Technically, the sniper came before the cocker. The first "autococker" was born when WGP realized you could hook up all them fancy gadgets (ram, LPR, etc) instead of a pump handle and it would shoot as a semi-auto.

Sniper is the correct term, because it is what it is actually called--WGP Sniper. Just because it's called the sniper doesn't mean that it has a scope and is carried by a dude in a ghillie suit. It's just the name that Mr. Orr came up with, in the same way that the Ford Mustang is not an actual wild horse but just the name they came up with.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The way I have always seen it

Sniper a aluminum bodied pgp that requires manual cocking

Autococker a aluminum bodied pgp that punematically cocks itself

Pump cocker a aluminum bodied pgp that when pumped the punematics cock the gun
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Pump cocker a aluminum bodied pgp that when pumped the punematics cock the gun
So like a pneumatic-assist?
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So like a pneumatic-assist?
Yup
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah, I'd say pump with a sniper or cocker body = Sniper.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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sniper II would be correct or sniper III for mini bodies. Unless you only consider it a sniper III if the pump is around the barrel.

I see "pump cocker" as being the term used by people who aren't aware that the autococker started out as a pump, Those that are unedjucated in paintball history (not that I don't have a fair amount of ignorance about me).
I hate the term "pump cocker" but oddly enough have no issues with "pump black magic" or "pump orracle."
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when all else fails....consult the Orracle! If you can't find him (and I have a personal friend that still talks with Bud and Jeff today), check the original WGP publishings. The "Pump" is what you feel after using one. Ha!

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Old 08-07-2013, 09:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Yes sniper is the correct term. Sniper II and sniper III are what first came out from wgp back in the late 80's
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:42 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Are the names Sniper and Autococker trademark names for those models?
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