Contributing to the Blue Book

cooter · 03-28-2006, 07:45 AM

I am new to the vintage shooting machines. I do have a couple of veteran members of MCB that I rely on.

Since I haven't attempted to provide any input, the answer may be in the process of updating the Blue Book. If there are controls in place I'm not aware of them.

If I pay too much for an item as compared to the BB list, won't I falsely bump the "value" thereby causing a possible ripple? I guess another way of putting it, what if I lie only to raise the value for my own benefit?

shartley · 03-28-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cooter

I am new to the vintage shooting machines. I do have a couple of veteran members of MCB that I rely on.

Since I haven't attempted to provide any input, the answer may be in the process of updating the Blue Book. If there are controls in place I'm not aware of them.

If I pay too much for an item as compared to the BB list, won't I falsely bump the "value" thereby causing a possible ripple? I guess another way of putting it, what if I lie only to raise the value for my own benefit?

Carter and I just had a similar conversation the other day on the phone. The Blue Book WILL fluctuate given many factors. Some of these factors are even seasonal.

Some other things to think about is that many times a marker is not a marker is not a marker. Depending on color, condition, any upgrades or all original parts, etc. the price will change. And fad will also affect the price of any give marker. If folks think a marker is the thing to have at this time it could raise the price simply because everyone wants it. But it could drop just a quickly if the interest wanes.

But it is pretty much impossible for one person to affect the overall price range by falsely putting in a high value. The Blue Book deals with ranges of prices and averages, so to really affect it for your own benefit you would have to buy/sell a LOT of any given marker. I just don’t see it happening. There will also always be extremely high purchases as well as extremely low no matter what the marker.

cooter · 03-29-2006, 07:59 PM

Be paitent with me, but I have to go a little further with my query.
I posted a KP 2 that I bought on Ebay and only altered the Good condition price to $511.00. Now we all know I paid more than I should have, but we won't go there. I entered and updated as directed and everything worked fine. I go to the Blue Book and see that under good condition it now reflects the price I paid. See where I'm headed? Simply because I paid this amount now everyone looking at the Blue Book sees a higher price. How is it averaged out or (is it)? Is it edited or corrected?
I'm not sure about the rest of the folks here but I don't want to be responsible for such a trend.

WilD · 03-29-2006, 08:10 PM

I think the MCB bluebook as currently set up requires a degree of user discretion. If you know that you overpaid, you shouldn't necessarily update the book with the amount you paid. I only ever update the bluebook (rarely) when I buy or sell something currently not priced, or if I notice that a marker I sell went for more than the book suggests and others like it recently have too. So, put simply, I update if I have completely virgin data or I notice a new trend related to a sale I'm involved in.

Painthappy · 03-29-2006, 08:11 PM

I'm eventually bringing the blue book and it's conversion process over here, and it will eventually cover as many guns as we can hope to image...

But I'm taking all this one step at a time.

But soon.

cooter · 03-30-2006, 07:39 AM

Thank you Carter. I know you're busy. Perhaps we can discuss this later. I have some thoughts on it. I hope this new site proves successful. I like it!

DarkStar · 04-01-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cooter

Thank you Carter. I know you're busy. Perhaps we can discuss this later. I have some thoughts on it. I hope this new site proves successful. I like it!

I think WilD hit the nail right on the head. Generally you know full well if you got a great deal or got hosed. Ebay prices can vary widely depending on wheather a similar item has been up recently or not. One person getting a great deal doesn't lower the value of that item. Example: I picked up a vector off ebay for $30. I obviously didn't go and add that to the Bluebook because I know full well that $30 is WAY below the average price. But I got lucky, the item had a terrible description and a BIN...

-MR

03-28-2006, 07:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
cooter Rec Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central Maryland	Contributing to the Blue Book I am new to the vintage shooting machines. I do have a couple of veteran members of MCB that I rely on. Since I haven't attempted to provide any input, the answer may be in the process of updating the Blue Book. If there are controls in place I'm not aware of them. If I pay too much for an item as compared to the BB list, won't I falsely bump the "value" thereby causing a possible ripple? I guess another way of putting it, what if I lie only to raise the value for my own benefit?

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03-29-2006, 07:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
cooter Rec Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central Maryland	Be paitent with me, but I have to go a little further with my query. I posted a KP 2 that I bought on Ebay and only altered the Good condition price to $511.00. Now we all know I paid more than I should have, but we won't go there. I entered and updated as directed and everything worked fine. I go to the Blue Book and see that under good condition it now reflects the price I paid. See where I'm headed? Simply because I paid this amount now everyone looking at the Blue Book sees a higher price. How is it averaged out or (is it)? Is it edited or corrected? I'm not sure about the rest of the folks here but I don't want to be responsible for such a trend.

03-29-2006, 08:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
WilD Exterminate! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Motor City	I think the MCB bluebook as currently set up requires a degree of user discretion. If you know that you overpaid, you shouldn't necessarily update the book with the amount you paid. I only ever update the bluebook (rarely) when I buy or sell something currently not priced, or if I notice that a marker I sell went for more than the book suggests and others like it recently have too. So, put simply, I update if I have completely virgin data or I notice a new trend related to a sale I'm involved in.

03-29-2006, 08:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Painthappy I Am The Admin Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Boston, NH	I'm eventually bringing the blue book and it's conversion process over here, and it will eventually cover as many guns as we can hope to image... But I'm taking all this one step at a time. But soon.

03-30-2006, 07:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
cooter Rec Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central Maryland	Thank you Carter. I know you're busy. Perhaps we can discuss this later. I have some thoughts on it. I hope this new site proves successful. I like it!