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Old 02-12-2008, 10:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If Cocker were so accurate like most people think, than why WGP stop making them?
Did I miss something?
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Old 02-13-2008, 06:38 AM   #13 (permalink)
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....so ive been using a large, heavy gun thats the biggest pain in the world to clean and maintain because i was under the false idea that it was more accurate. wow. well i geuss im gonna go get a mini now.......
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Old 02-13-2008, 07:28 AM   #14 (permalink)
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WGP phased out its entire autococker line, with the exception of the "SR". Instead WGP is focusing on blowbacks, and spool-driven guns.

Basically, K2 has reduced "WGP" to a brand name, and not much else.

Cockers are no more accurate, but they also did not have the spike/shootdown problems that the early mags had. So when compared to the early mags, it might have seemed like it was more accurate.

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Old 02-13-2008, 07:35 AM   #15 (permalink)
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They are one of the more accurate guns I've used, the other one being a Hurricane.

My blowbacks haven't been too bad - my F/A was dead-nuts with the BOA barrel I had on it.

Helps to be comfortable with your gun.

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Old 02-13-2008, 08:31 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Cockers are no more accurate, but they also did not have the spike/shootdown problems that the early mags had. So when compared to the early mags, it might have seemed like it was more accurate.
A classic mag also has a heavier trigger pull than a cocker - in unskilled hands (and lets face it, that's probably a lot of us, me for sure) that's going to affect accuracy as well.
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:51 AM   #17 (permalink)
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The point about reciprocating mass and first shot accuracy is probably somewhat correct. In reality, there are many factors affecting accuracy and the bolt position before firing is one of the minor ones. This debate is a time warp back to the 1990s. I didn't think people talked about this closed vs. open bolt BS anymore.

Honestly all "autococker" style markers are an archaeic design. its just a pump that happens to pump itself after the shot. It is still the only type of semi-auto I own, but if I was concerened with cutting edge technology, I'd look into something else.
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Old 02-13-2008, 10:09 AM   #18 (permalink)
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....so ive been using a large, heavy gun thats the biggest pain in the world to clean and maintain because i was under the false idea that it was more accurate. wow. well i geuss im gonna go get a mini now.......
Selling a marker because of a busted myth is a wonderful idea.

If your Cocker shoots nice and you like it, why get something else? Autocockers have been around for a long, long time. Their evolution over the years has produced a wonderful shooting marker that has near endless tinkerability.


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Helps to be comfortable with your gun.

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No matter what gun you have, if you dont practice and develop the skills for that particular gun (pulling the trigger right, pointing it right, its all muscle memory) then you wont ever be as good as your skill set will be.

helps as well to have a gun that is consistant in velocity, which makes the guessing game of range go down.

I used to have a bone stock Panther VTS, dead nuts accuracy in my hands. Same with my cocker and sniper, and my KL. Why? I use them all the time.

Accuracy is in the hands of the gun holder.
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Old 02-13-2008, 11:02 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Azzy is dead right on this one. i've shot alot of 'high end' 'accurate' markers that still didn't shoot, shoulder or seem nearly as accurate as my bone stock Mokal Titan.

I like automags with the single trigger because they have a nice, even pull to them, and they shoot better for me because i am comfortable with them

I like cockers with sliders because it feels better than a hinge, and i tend to shoot them better.

you will always shoot a comfortable marker far better than the most accurate marker that sucks for comfort
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