new toy. f4 illustrator

Tessaract · 03-03-2008, 04:51 PM

got a gun from a friend. cannot find any info on it from vintage rex or pbreview. was curious if anyone can tell me more about this gun

i do not think its the f4 illustrator XP, am sure its the orignal, but like i said cant find much info bout it. anyone help me out? will get pics up today or tomorrow

any idea on how much its worth? currently its not recocking but broke it down and reoiling it since it seems like it hasnt seen play in forever.

is it possible to get parts for it? am using co2 on it, does it require hpa? thanks

greenmtnphantom · 03-03-2008, 05:08 PM

I've got a F4 GS, LOVE IT, I tried other guns and this is back to my primary mech (got rid of my mag) and they work fine on CO2. The only real difference I know of other than the anno on the GS is the number of the factory upgrades that it came stock with. Parts are pretty hard to find, every few weeks you will see a gun or part on ebay. They seem to be going for anyware from $25 to $75 depending.

If you are going to run the gun I suggest keeping your eyes out for a Venturi bolt, HVC and expansion chamber. Post when you have the pics and a better idea of what is going on with it.

Tessaract · 03-03-2008, 05:34 PM

whelp soon as i get everything put back together ill post a piccy or 2

my friend wants 100 for it. worth it?

sdawg · 03-03-2008, 05:54 PM

Some advice: do not clip the springs, do not use a regulator, use CO2 instead of HPA (if possible).

Parts are hard to come by, but you might find some here on MCB or on eBay.

As for your friend: if he wants to pay you that much, it's your lucky day. I bought mine new in box on eBay for $25.

Tessaract · 03-03-2008, 06:35 PM

no he wants me to pay him. its his gun, told him id take a look at it at home before commiting

broke it down, everything needed a good oilin and scrubbin, especialy the bolt. replaced the o-rings in the bolt

ill see if he will take 10 or something, not really lookin for another marker ATM and had a friend offer me a spyder compact for 25 so will prolly get that instead. if nothing eles he got a free long overdue maintence out of it and i get a new toy to play with for a couple games

Tessaract · 03-04-2008, 12:41 AM

ugggh. finnaly got 2 pics to upload. imageshak hates dialup

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8610/f42cm5.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1484/f41sc4.jpg

has a few cosmetic flaws but nothing i couldnt fix with the right color of nail polish.
seems to be working fine now, only issue i got now is the RVA, when i screw it in the threads always catch the o-ring, it hasnt destroyed it or anything and manages to save it but guessin its due for a new one. other than that everything workin now

oh and the velocity seems real low, it fires and works and all. no chrono but it seems....low

P4p3Rc1iP · 03-04-2008, 05:34 AM

What kind of guns are they? Blowbacks? Or some other more obscure type?

Tessaract · 03-04-2008, 06:17 AM

not sure. it seems like a blowback, could really use a ball dent or something to stop multi feed and ball rollout

it has lots of parts in it im not exactly use to but guessing its built off a spyder design or possible autococker/spyder hybrid? again like i said not sure so requestin info on how everthing works

greenmtnphantom · 03-04-2008, 06:57 AM

They are indead a blowback and do have a ball detent there should be a oval shaped panel held in my two screws (left side of the body I believe) under that panel should be an automag style wire detent

If you can get me specific questions I can probably help you out I still have the manuals around here some place and I have rebuilt mine once or twice.

Speaking of manuals http://www.cet.com/~sbryant/manuals/ACI/f4manual.pdf

sdawg · 03-04-2008, 10:57 AM

Do not pay $100 for an F4, especially one that needs a lot of work done.

To be honest, it is not my favorite marker. It is incredibly loud and kicks like a mule. I tried using an inline regulator to control velocity, and my F4 was not cooperative. It needs high-energy from CO2 or 800psi or higher from HPA. Lower PSI from HPA, and it won't re-cock.

On the other hand, it is really light and has a nice looking blue flame anno.

03-03-2008, 04:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tessaract Active Member Join Date: May 2007	new toy. f4 illustrator got a gun from a friend. cannot find any info on it from vintage rex or pbreview. was curious if anyone can tell me more about this gun i do not think its the f4 illustrator XP, am sure its the orignal, but like i said cant find much info bout it. anyone help me out? will get pics up today or tomorrow any idea on how much its worth? currently its not recocking but broke it down and reoiling it since it seems like it hasnt seen play in forever. is it possible to get parts for it? am using co2 on it, does it require hpa? thanks

03-03-2008, 05:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
sdawg MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas	Some advice: do not clip the springs, do not use a regulator, use CO2 instead of HPA (if possible). Parts are hard to come by, but you might find some here on MCB or on eBay. As for your friend: if he wants to pay you that much, it's your lucky day. I bought mine new in box on eBay for $25. __________________ Everybody: Let's ease up on the red loctite, 'kay? Thanks. Feedback

03-04-2008, 05:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
P4p3Rc1iP Active Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Leeuwarden, The Netherlands	What kind of guns are they? Blowbacks? Or some other more obscure type? __________________

03-04-2008, 10:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
sdawg MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas	Do not pay $100 for an F4, especially one that needs a lot of work done. To be honest, it is not my favorite marker. It is incredibly loud and kicks like a mule. I tried using an inline regulator to control velocity, and my F4 was not cooperative. It needs high-energy from CO2 or 800psi or higher from HPA. Lower PSI from HPA, and it won't re-cock. On the other hand, it is really light and has a nice looking blue flame anno. __________________ Everybody: Let's ease up on the red loctite, 'kay? Thanks. Feedback

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03-03-2008, 05:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tessaract Active Member Join Date: May 2007	whelp soon as i get everything put back together ill post a piccy or 2 my friend wants 100 for it. worth it?

03-03-2008, 06:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tessaract Active Member Join Date: May 2007	no he wants me to pay him. its his gun, told him id take a look at it at home before commiting broke it down, everything needed a good oilin and scrubbin, especialy the bolt. replaced the o-rings in the bolt ill see if he will take 10 or something, not really lookin for another marker ATM and had a friend offer me a spyder compact for 25 so will prolly get that instead. if nothing eles he got a free long overdue maintence out of it and i get a new toy to play with for a couple games

03-04-2008, 12:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tessaract Active Member Join Date: May 2007	ugggh. finnaly got 2 pics to upload. imageshak hates dialup http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8610/f42cm5.jpg http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1484/f41sc4.jpg has a few cosmetic flaws but nothing i couldnt fix with the right color of nail polish. seems to be working fine now, only issue i got now is the RVA, when i screw it in the threads always catch the o-ring, it hasnt destroyed it or anything and manages to save it but guessin its due for a new one. other than that everything workin now oh and the velocity seems real low, it fires and works and all. no chrono but it seems....low

03-04-2008, 06:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tessaract Active Member Join Date: May 2007	not sure. it seems like a blowback, could really use a ball dent or something to stop multi feed and ball rollout it has lots of parts in it im not exactly use to but guessing its built off a spyder design or possible autococker/spyder hybrid? again like i said not sure so requestin info on how everthing works