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[davidwirth]

its a mechanical trigger. Not Pnuematic. if there isn't any air hooked up, and you pull the trigger, you can hear the click which is the trigger pull. What happens is that through the other wire edm parts, when you pull the trigger, it releases the valve arm which is holding in the pin for the 4-way which causes the piston to move forward carring the hammer. Hammer hits disconnect (roller) and goes back to hit valve releasing air. Bolt carrier though is still traveling forward. It hits the valve arm and pushes it back into place causing the piston to now travel in opposite direction to pick the hammer back up. There a few things for terminalogy. short stroking on a vector is when you can get the valve arm in such a position that it just starts oscilating back and forth. To do this, you do sort of a 1/2 pull on the trigger, this is accomplished by placing your index finger behind the trigger and using the middle as the trigger finger, don't do a quick pull but sort of barely pull the trigger. What happens is the trigger isn't full pulled back and the valve arm is only partially released. This makes a distinctive sound. Since you can cause it to do it, sometimes, you can get the other guy to rush you because he thinks you gun is toast (have gotten numerous kills this way). The jam occurs when you out shoot the rate of drop for the balls into the chamber. Remember, just toggle the safety and it will reset.

[John Satclaire]

Not that I suggest mauling one of the few Vector rams produced in this manner, but it wouldn't be that hard to take a ram and have it machined up to hold the pump arm.

[Railgun]

Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft

The trigger is pneumatically activated. The entire firing cycle is controlled by a single ram.

However, the 3-way is not hooked directly to the trigger, but through a linkage designed to SLOW DOWN the firing cycle, and prevent short-stroking.

A neat mod might be to bypass the linkage, and hook the trigger directly, just to see how fast it could fire!

Ah yes. But the hammer is still released by the mechanical part of the trigger system and there's a typical nelson'ish hammer spring. So once all the pnuematics were taken away it would be basically a Nelson that sends the air to the upper bore. Or is that more of a Stirling style? I'll have to go check the Stirling animated gif again.

In any event while it would require some custom machine work to replace the air ram with a pump setup it is definetly possible and highly practical. But unless it can be done with no mods to the main frame it would be a shame since they aren't making any more of them. I'd have to rip mine apart again to see what would be needed but from what I remember of it this would not be a huge machining job.

[HurtCow]

Yes it's exactly like a Sterling. Nelson guts smacking a Sheridan valve.

[HP_Lovecraft]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Ah yes. But the hammer is still released by the mechanical part of the trigger system ......

Not at all. The hammer is released by the ram pulling the carrier over the sear.
The trigger, in no way, releases the hammer.
The trigger is only connected to one thing: The 4-way, via linkage.

The argument that the vector has a mechanical trigger is like saying all electros have mechanical triggers, because you have to pull a lever.

The vector has a pneumatic trigger, with linkage designed to "trip" a 4way, instead of actuating.. This elliminates the problem often associated with pneumatic triggers, in that they outrun the cycle, and shortstroke.

[Railgun]

Hmmmm..... I guess I was too worried about cleaning and oiling. I thought I saw one of the arms catching a lip on the hammer. But I could well have assumed that it was just because it was close to that area. And we all know what happens when we assume....

I'm still going to pull off the side cover from the trigger area and have another look. If for no other reason to see why I thought it was a mechanical release on the hammer.

And besides, now I want to have a closer look to see if it really is pumpable.

[HP_Lovecraft]

There is a mechanical release, in the same way that the Rainmaker has a mechanical release. In the end, the issue is largely semantics. They have one of the fastest non-electro triggers regardless.

For the pump conversion, you might be able to take advantage of that hammer release. The sear is a bit funky in that its linked to the 4-way, but looking at the trigger design, it might be a trivial matter of linking the trigger actuator directly to the sear (perhaps by fabricating a new one). Then swapping out the ram/carrier for a Rainman style pump.

nick

[custar]

Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft

A neat mod might be to bypass the linkage, and hook the trigger directly, just to see how fast it could fire!

Now, this is an interesting thought. Any idea how fast that COULD allow a Vector to go?

custar

[spymongoose]

Can I ask at this point why? Why any of this? It seems to me that on this level, the differences between a rainmaker and vector are moot. A pump vector would be very similar to a pump rainmaker, with the obvious problems with the barrel mount and the indirect trigger. A vector linked directly to a 4 way valve would be identical in speed and operation to a pnumatic vector.

The real beauty in the vector was that it was an"electric" marker before electronics were mainstream. The clockwork style trigger assembly was designed to perform the same "dwell" operation that modern electros do now. Being loud and accuriate were just side effects that evidently didnt survive brass eagles buyout of the design.

[HurtCow]

Originally Posted by spymongoose

Can I ask at this point why? Why any of this? It seems to me that on this level, the differences between a rainmaker and vector are moot. A pump vector would be very similar to a pump rainmaker, with the obvious problems with the barrel mount and the indirect trigger.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. To me it's like a pump Mag. Take a beautifully-designed semi and screw it up so it doesn't work right and has to be manually reset.

Just get a friggin' Sterling.