Has anyone ever successfully converted a Vector to a pump?

DSA · 03-05-2008, 08:24 AM

Just as the title states.

Azzy · 03-05-2008, 08:37 AM

I think it would be as hard, if not a bit harder, than the pump rainmakers that Rainman did.

HP_Lovecraft · 03-05-2008, 08:54 AM

Rainman converted my RM, but with the RM there is a slot between the trigger frame, and bolt-carrier, so it was a trivial matter of replacing the ram with a pump, and adding a "pin" to the trigger so that it would reach the bolt latch. (Yes, I'm generalizing).

Not owning a vector, is there a similar slot underneath a Vector? Otherwise I'd imagine that it would then require some fabrication.

EDIT- Also, its 7:30AM. Go back to bed.

Railgun · 03-05-2008, 04:38 PM

I just had my own Vector apart a short time back. Since it's basically an air ram cocked Nelson it would be a piece of cake to convert it. Just swap the ram and LPR up front for a pump unit of some sort.

I had seen some rumours that the trigger was pnuematically activated. But it's not. It's just a linked series of arms and levers with a one time escapement built in. The snappy trigger feel is purely mechanical. So no issues there.

Mind you it would need to be custom made since the front end design is unique. And it would be that much sweeter if the pump handle was fabricated from the stock shroud or something that looks like the stock shroud.

Azzy · 03-05-2008, 04:49 PM

You would be able to adapt a stock vector trigger to trip the sear, just might take some modification of the sear itself to make it for a nice trigger break.

Schmitti · 03-05-2008, 04:49 PM

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EDIT- Also, its 7:30AM. Go back to bed.

Not where he is... he's like 11 hours ahead of us.... it's Thursday already for him... He's thinking about the Freedom Bird!

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davidwirth · 03-05-2008, 05:09 PM

Why even have a trigger, let the pump to it all?

Remove trigger pieces, 4-way/cylinder and fore grip. replace pneumatic cylinder with ram-rod that threads into the bolt carrier. useing the ramrod as the cocking mechanism and as you bring it back forward, it carries the bolt forward till it tripps on the barrel roller

HP_Lovecraft · 03-05-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Railgun

I had seen some rumours that the trigger was pnuematically activated. But it's not.

The trigger is pneumatically activated. The entire firing cycle is controlled by a single ram.

However, the 3-way is not hooked directly to the trigger, but through a linkage designed to SLOW DOWN the firing cycle, and prevent short-stroking.

A neat mod might be to bypass the linkage, and hook the trigger directly, just to see how fast it could fire!

Jordan · 03-05-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft

The trigger is pneumatically activated. The entire firing cycle is controlled by a single ram.

However, the 3-way is not hooked directly to the trigger, but through a linkage designed to SLOW DOWN the firing cycle, and prevent short-stroking.

A neat mod might be to bypass the linkage, and hook the trigger directly, just to see how fast it could fire!

Still a mechanical trigger, is it not? Just controls the pneumatic sequence.

Saying it's a pneumatic trigger implies it uses a complex series of valves and rams to accomplish the firing of the gun.

Could be wrong. . .

Jordan

HurtCow · 03-05-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft

A neat mod might be to bypass the linkage, and hook the trigger directly, just to see how fast it could fire!

I have a mech RM that is actuated by a cocker 4-way. It's pretty easy to short-stroke it by yanking the trigger too fast. In fact I can fire my Vec faster than it just because the dwell is built into the trigger and I don't have to intentionally pause between pulls.

03-05-2008, 08:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
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03-05-2008, 08:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Azzy Mod-O-Rator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	I think it would be as hard, if not a bit harder, than the pump rainmakers that Rainman did. __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, “This I have done.” - Dean Alfange

03-05-2008, 08:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
HP_Lovecraft MCB Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern Maine	Rainman converted my RM, but with the RM there is a slot between the trigger frame, and bolt-carrier, so it was a trivial matter of replacing the ram with a pump, and adding a "pin" to the trigger so that it would reach the bolt latch. (Yes, I'm generalizing). Not owning a vector, is there a similar slot underneath a Vector? Otherwise I'd imagine that it would then require some fabrication. EDIT- Also, its 7:30AM. Go back to bed. __________________ www.montneel.com My Myspace nonsense "the evidence strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam (Smart Parts) could have invented the electronic paintgun" -Garr M. King, U.S. Judge

03-05-2008, 04:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Railgun MCB Member Join Date: Oct 2006	I just had my own Vector apart a short time back. Since it's basically an air ram cocked Nelson it would be a piece of cake to convert it. Just swap the ram and LPR up front for a pump unit of some sort. I had seen some rumours that the trigger was pnuematically activated. But it's not. It's just a linked series of arms and levers with a one time escapement built in. The snappy trigger feel is purely mechanical. So no issues there. Mind you it would need to be custom made since the front end design is unique. And it would be that much sweeter if the pump handle was fabricated from the stock shroud or something that looks like the stock shroud. __________________ Model airplanes are cool too!

03-05-2008, 04:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Azzy Mod-O-Rator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	You would be able to adapt a stock vector trigger to trip the sear, just might take some modification of the sear itself to make it for a nice trigger break. __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, “This I have done.” - Dean Alfange

03-05-2008, 05:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
davidwirth call me H8 for short Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Smyrna TN	Why even have a trigger, let the pump to it all? Remove trigger pieces, 4-way/cylinder and fore grip. replace pneumatic cylinder with ram-rod that threads into the bolt carrier. useing the ramrod as the cocking mechanism and as you bring it back forward, it carries the bolt forward till it tripps on the barrel roller __________________ Just call me H8 for short!

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