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[ilerman]

As a guy who has played with pistols as my mains, here are my two cents also.

I personally have found that every semi pistol on the market that is priced less than a squall has it's down points. (I've never had the pleasure of using a squall myself)

The ariakons are large and unwieldy even with my big hands. I owned an Overlord RX and shot < 500 rounds through it. She was ok as far as accuracy but was a bit to heavy to be balanced in one hand. (If your going two pistols this may not be for you) The miltecs and zeuses are probably the same based on appearance. The good news for these pistols are the availability of parts as most parts are interchangable with piranha/spyder parts.

The tibs 8 and 9 just didn't feel good to me. The grips were to unnatural for me. The blow forward designs of these are superior to blowback pistols such as ariakons etc. You're limited even more as far as paint is concerned with only 8 shots and not the traditional 10. Clips can get expensive although with enough time shooting pistol only you MAY make up the cost in less paint shot.

My personal preference and I may get shot down here is a good old PGP. While this won't let you go dual pistols (at least not John Woo style) they are true work horses. I used my PPS Pug this weekend and it will provide an excellent platform for my pistol toting needs in the future.

PGPs and Pugs are true stock class guns and that would explain my preference as I play almost exclusively stock class.

I am beginning to toy around with automag pistol conversions. I have my second one arriving this week. So far the one I have shoots well but is not efficient(not a surprise considering the base marker is a mag)

As far as your decision goes it depends entirely up to you. You will be the one shooting and toting the pistol around and therefore noone else can make the decision for you.

Good luck and don't let the bad boys with electros scare you, bacause a man carries a pistol!

[Mayvik]

I'm pretty sure you can order a Squall with whatever type of feed system you like, be it the standard feed plug, the newer twist feed (see Freedom's thread for Craig's post), or a front hole, which is how I believe you modified your markers (correct me if I'm wrong). I think in my post I noted that feed style was largely personal pref, I know you've extensively play tested and found that your style works best and fastest for you, but I suspect that the difference of a second or two between the faster and slower reload methods is rarely that significant when actually playing.

Originally Posted by agentSmith

A Squall, which I will not deny is a beautiful piece of art, loads EXACTLY the same as a $100 overlord. So as far as actual survival in play there is NO difference between the two(Forgive me in advance Palmers, but a 12gram typhoon with just a springfeed on it is what a squall is-no less but not one iota more).

[DeTrevni]

Thanks for the replies guys! Tohri, I'll drop you a line. I TREMENDOUSLY appreciate the offer. I'm the only "oddball" at my local field. You know, the guy that wears tie-dye and actually plays pump (you mean you have to cock that thing each shot? That sucks!) and wants to play pistol, so there's nothing out there for me to borrow around here...

And I wanted to carry duals for the intention of a backup. Preferably matching. I would probably rely on a single, but may John Woo it if things get heavy (why not? ). And besides, I'll probably do a few John Woo runs when I feel like just screwing around.

Oh, and for the feel, to be perfectly honest, I can shoot better with a rifle (or a marker with a tank to shoulder), but I've always preferred the feel of a pistol.

I'm really looking at PGP's now. Brass workhorses that are simple to use. I talked to Sergison a while back, and he said he can build me a semi K-Frame assembly for cheaper than Palmer's Stroker conversions, and since I prefer revolver frames, that would be the ULTIMATE setup for me.

I'll probably buy a bunch of those springfeed 10 rd. tubes Noxx made (if he still offers them), and have someone like Palmer's solder me on a cram and jam feed port. That way, I can load them out the back, holstered, if it works out like I'm imagining it!

I think I may have a goal! Thanks. Oh, and feel free to throw out stories and tips. I love hearing it!

[Tesko]

I've got a Tiberius 8 and love the thing, but find it too impractical for my type of play. I've got the UMS quick-changers on my mags though, which are sweet!

[Tohri]

Originally Posted by agentSmith

Well...
As someone who disagrees with most everything posted so far I thought I'd throw in my 2 pennies.

Ariakons and USPs in my experience are NOT the same as Warsensor and Miltec pistols. They may look similar on paper, but I've been offered a few of each and after a suitable trial simply gave them back or threw them away. Magazines to buy for no reason, pierce pins that DON'T WORK!!!
The Warsensor and Miltec pistols need to be modded to work best, but at least they CAN be. The many horrible mistakes in the Ariakon and the USP are milled right in.
Rob

A pass on a lathe, and a bit of machinework, and they can be Freak inserted. Next time I have 100$ lying around I don't need, I'll take mine up the road and get them converted.
As for the 12 gram changer, overall it's barely functional. I'll give you that.

But I'd still take those downsides over the Zeus I owned. From the Velveeta grade allluminum it was made of, To the excessive weight and shoddy machining. Maybe I got a bad, first gen, defective gun. But one that I had to take to a machine shop and shell out fifty bucks to make a new Co2 plug because the stock plug was the wrong thread size, and ground itself to bits?
I even picked up a Delta .68 last year, and it's had more problems than any other gun I've owned.
Out of the Box.
My USPs, however, have been easy as PIE to maintain, service, and even Make new parts for
Used up all the extra 12 gram seals? (they package it with two extras) Make your own from the plastic on the narrow side of an Auto Zone brand Motor oil bottle. 1/16" drill bit and Scissors required.

A student admitting his arm is weak, That's one thing. But when Muso Gonnosuke dueled Musashi and lost, he decided the Bo was too heavy, got pissed, and went off to invent the Jo staff. Then he tracked down Musashi and went all chuck norris on his oar swinging behind.

I blame it on the parachute pants and stupid haircuts.

[ilerman]

Here is a tip for you.

Don't be an idiot like me and forget how to load a round in the chamber.

This saturday I was running along the flank of the opposing team with my pug and to load rounds I was dropping the front and not the back end to load. I got so used to using my phantom that I wasn't even loading and just shooting air on the run.

As you can imagine I was taken out rather quickly

[Mayvik]

Cool, let us know how you like the Sergi-stroker. 10-shot's is the only one I've seen, I was planning on having my PGP Stroker K-framed sometime but that was before I realized how mega front heavy it was going to be.

[LUKE]

I'm a big fan of the basic splatmaster, and have often wielded a pair at once. Just my preference, and despite that they fall into the pump category (although unique to themselves), recocking a pair via a chest bump or opposite wrist tap is quite easy. I've always thought they cocked faster than most sheridans I own or play with. Guess I'm just a sucker for green plasti-nylon injection molded bodies...errr, something.

[DeTrevni]

OOOOHHHH! Splattys! I forgot about them! Wow, more pondering. More pondering...

[CrazyBoy78]

Thing about pistol play is that YOU have to play differently too. Remember, you're at a disadvantage in 3 main ways: air, paint and accuracy at range. So you have to make up the difference by being more aggressive and, at the same time, smarter than your opponent. Get closer and put yourself in positions you'd never imagine if you were sitting back with your hopper-fed semi.

That said, I've owned Zeuses, T8's and Squalls. I say try what you think you might like and go from there. I like my T8's and my Squall. Both are different but both have their pros and cons. Only you can truly figure out what's best for you.