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[Sly1]

Originally Posted by Grendel

Oh god mods please oh please close this thread

no lie, I think orrigional poster got his info... and now we are all quite informed about flex hones.. thankyou smith..

but alas, I stand by that... cloth on a rod with rouge is an easy and cheap way of doing it!!!!

as azzy said.. do it cheap first, if that doesn't fly opt for the tool for the job.. just like reaching for a screwdriver vs purchasing a paintcan opener (if the exist...)

anyway, I'm gone

[splattttttt]

Both Sly and Agent are correct by their own terms as to when each application will grant you the results that are needed.

I've never and probably will never use a flex hone because it's just not feasible to me.
Most of all the barrels I use are either SS or brass. The hard anno aluminum ones I've used in the past have gotten scratched up, and for this reason I find them inferior.

Note to the original poster.
Get your self some SS or brass launch tubes, and polish them with ketchup. Chocolate is to precious, and should only be used before, during and after sex.

[agentSmith]

OK I will let myself be goaded into trying one more time, even simpler:

The Berry of a flexhone rides on a scratch like a tennis ball on an ice cream cone, none of the flexhone enters the scratch, it only works the edges.

A swab fills that cone with cotton and has a bigger ball of cotton on top, but because it's cotton, the force applied to the bottom of the scratch IS THE SAME as that applied to the edges. So a swab doesn't remove a vshaped scratch, it DIGS IT DEEPER, especially on the side of rotation where the maximum force it ever exerts is INSIDE the scratch against the sidewall. it turns that small vshaped scratch into a huge ushaped trench and destroys the concentricity of the barrel. IT ONLY MAKES A BIGGER, DEEPER, DIFFERENTLY SHAPED SCRATCH!!!!
Therefore if you want to damage a barrel with even minor scratches run a swab through it!

That's what the literature on the BR website details but in 'science' language and it took my son to translate it into english for me, so I could pass it along.
So the fact that people were concerned about DETENTS, when the swab is totally counterproductive and does nothing anyone would want done, made me assume that NOONE had followed a link or was trying to grasp what I was saying. Hence my opinion that a bunch of folks, who just maybe weren't trying as hard as they could, were in fact, a bunch of trolls.
I also hope we can agree that saying a 'wedgit' isn't a 'detent' is like saying a 'ford focus' isn't a 'car'.

So please for the sake of my sanity, if nothing else, please stop wrecking your barrels for nothing!

Rob

[DarkStar]

Originally Posted by agentSmith

I also hope we can agree that saying a 'wedgit' isn't a 'detent' is like saying a 'ford focus' isn't a 'car'.

While they may provide similar functionality they both can be found on one gun, so it makes sense to have a distinct name for each. (Just like a gun may have two regs on it, but usually one is called the LPR and one is called the regulator)

[Azzy]

You know, one thing that hasnt been said here, is that if you flexhone your hard anno aluminum barrel, your going to end up with a soft aluminum interior, which will scratch a hell of a lot easier. If you polish it just a tad, you are smoothing out that anodeisation crystal layer. Since it is stainless, its less of a point.

Some people here need to get off a high horse. Its paintball... launching imperfect spheres with imperfect guns is the game as it is. I dont care who you hit off of what break, it is what it is. AS you do what you do because you use the same gun over and over, its muscle memory, and works quite well. Its not the flexhone that did it....

[Sly1]

very true..

I really think this thread is finished... there is a wealth of information and two destinct routes a person could follow to polish a barrel.

and azzy is right, a barrel is often less at fault for messing up a shot then an egg shaped ball..

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by agentSmith

I also hope we can agree that saying a 'wedgit' isn't a 'detent' is like saying a 'ford focus' isn't a 'car'.

Rob

Originally Posted by DarkStar

While they may provide similar functionality they both can be found on one gun, so it makes sense to have a distinct name for each. (Just like a gun may have two regs on it, but usually one is called the LPR and one is called the regulator)

Thank you.

A BALL detent and a BARREL detent are two separate things that have a common function. Yes, a Ford Focus is a car, but so is a Roadmaster, and they are two separate cars that serve two different purposes - they share similarities in that they have 4 wheels, an engine, etc, but one is an econobox, and one is a luxury yacht.

No one is trying to "goad" anyone - don't feel that it's personal.

I'm going to agree with Azzy - polishing does serve a purpose, depending on the application. I've polished brass barrels and annoed barrels with great results.

Jordan
Jordan

[agentSmith]

I agree with Darkstar and Jordan that it's good to have two names, that way we don't have to say 'car' when we mean 'that ford focus', however 'that ford focus' is still a 'car'.
That's why I apologized repeatedly for using the term detent in such a way as to confuse people, but here you guys are still talking about it.
That way you don't ever have to pony up to the fact that you were wrong, that swabs are FAR WORSE than the CORRECT flexhone, apparently all anyone else around here has seen is the silicon carbide hogger.

You know, one thing that hasnt been said here, is that if you flexhone your hard anno aluminum barrel, your going to end up with a soft aluminum interior, which will scratch a hell of a lot easier. If you polish it just a tad, you are smoothing out that anodeisation crystal layer

You just plain can't polish without removing material Azzy, what, the metal magically squishes around like Elmer's Glue??? WGP elves again?
That is just silly, you are removing material!
The truth is any way you slice it a swab is less effective and removes more barrel than a hone because it's pressing on the metal of your barrel as hard as it is even on paint residue in the barrel.

Main Entry: 1pol·ish
Pronunciation: \ˈpä-lish\
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English polisshen, from Anglo-French poliss-, stem of polir, from Latin polire
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1 : to make smooth and glossy usually by friction : burnish
2 : to smooth, soften, or refine in manners or condition
3 : to bring to a highly developed, finished, or refined state : perfect
intransitive verb
: to become smooth or glossy by or as if by friction
— pol·ish·er noun

Friction=removing material.



This thread wasn't about paint, so I didn't talk about paint, it was about barrel honing, says so right in the title, so I talked about barrel honing.


Rob

[Azzy]

I'm talking about polishing that is usually removing in the .0001 or so range chemically, while you are talking about a process that easily goes into the .005 range without much effort.

Your right, just not about everything man, it isnt personal.

[agentSmith]

I know I'm not right about everything, but when I'm wrong I admit it.

I repeat what I clearly posted earlier, with a superfine flexhone, it took 30 passes to remove .002. How does 30 passes qualify as 'easy' exactly? What, I fell asleep at ten and didn't snap out of it until 19 later?

Be honest, have you ever even seen one of the Levigated Alumina? They are a special order and never came in the airsmith kit. you're criticising a hone that I NEVER recommended I think. Just like a detent is not necessarily a wedgit, a 160 grit Silicon Carbide is not the same as an 800 grit AO or the one above that, the LA superfine.

The irony is, I have a stack of barrels to hone at a HSI scenario game this weekend from people who don't know or care about any of this. They've just seen me make shots that their regular barrels don't allow them to make. If I can beat a pump Viper in the chrony station at HS at a game of P-I-G(like the basketball version) with a $120 cheesemetal hongkong special and I have and would be happy to again, they just want to get some of that.

I will now and finally stand quietly by what I've said, secure that when I was shown to be wrong in this thread I promptly apologized, as I always try to do.

Rob