Paintball

[Andrewliu6294]

I have a Dye SS Boomstick thats been heavily used, and the bore is no longer mirror polished, with tiny little scratches and imperfections. This is my only barrel, and I cannot justify buying a new one when this one can be fixed/repolished

I talked to Legion, and it seems that getting a barrel rehoned is much cheaper than getting it bored out for inserts, or buying a new back.

Does anyone know a place that'll hone barrels? Cheaper is better, preferably.

[agentSmith]

On the old 'give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him to fish, feed him for ever' scene, Brush Research's excellent Flexhones are for sale at a fair price. Then you're set for life.
It's pretty simple, a little honing oil on the brush and make a few passes down the barrel with the hone on a hand drill and you're good to go:

Brush research Paintball section
Self centering and self tensioning, they work very well.

I recommend for touching up a barrel like you're doing the Levigated Alumina extra fine, it will take off the least amount of material per pass, and at $36.81 it's cheaper than it was when I bought my first one many years ago.

Rob

[B]

Hone that barrel and you will have a SS sewer pipe, it will be huge bore. As long as the scratches are lateral and nor real odd one they are just fin and in fact help not hinder as the uninformed think. Just give the barrel a quick polish with a Redz battle swab use noting more aggressive than brass or silver polish.

[agentSmith]

B and I disagree on this subject obviously.

As someone who oneballed a running HS Mercenary(and tourney player) at 60 FEET, 6 and a half mins into this video, Village Game , shooting .685 paint through a .693 barrel(a feat I repeat with regularity) I call BS on all things regarding paint to barrel match.
Unless the paint is so small it won't be held by the detent, it just doesn't matter as long as the barrel is smooth. If the barrel is not smooth, it will shoot like poo.

I shoot small paint through big barrels all the time with great results including 30 shots a 12ie, and though I haven't done true scientific experimentation to prove it doesn't matter, THAT'S BECAUSE GLENN PALMER ALREADY DID IT! Glad not to have to bother, Thanks Mr Palmer!


Rob

[Sly1]

unless you have funky shaped paint.. which for most of us is fairly regular

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by agentSmith

B and I disagree on this subject obviously.

As someone who oneballed a running HS Mercenary(and tourney player) at 60 FEET, 6 and a half mins into this video, Village Game , shooting .685 paint through a .693 barrel(a feat I repeat with regularity) I call BS on all things regarding paint to barrel match.
Unless the paint is so small it won't be held by the detent, it just doesn't matter as long as the barrel is smooth. If the barrel is not smooth, it will shoot like poo.

I shoot small paint through big barrels all the time with great results including 30 shots a 12ie, and though I haven't done true scientific experimentation to prove it doesn't matter, THAT'S BECAUSE GLENN PALMER ALREADY DID IT! Glad not to have to bother, Thanks Mr Palmer!


Rob

Not sure what kind of gun you use - but with a closed bolt, like a Cocker or Sniper, you NEED to match your paint.

Now, if you have a set of wedgits in the barrel you can get away with what you've been doing, or if you have an open bolt gun, go ahead - the most accurate gun I've used was a Tippmann with a large bore BOA barrel.

Anyways, back to topic - like B said, don't worry about some scratches, as long as they are linear, meaning they go along the length of the barrel. Is it shooting poorly? If it's still shooting okay, then leave well enough alone.

Jordan

[agentSmith]

Not sure what kind of gun you use - but with a closed bolt, like a Cocker or Sniper, you NEED to match your paint.

What exactly are you basing this on besides the advertising of those who sell closed bolt markers AND BARRELS????
Glenn Palmer, who went to all the trouble of making a glass paintball barrel says you're wrong. Tom Kaye, with his highspeed stop motion photography says you're wrong.
So I hope you'll pardon me for not believing you.

DON'T ASK A BARBER IF YOU NEED A HAIRCUT!!!! HE WILL ALWAYS SAY YES!!!!

If a ball arrives at the end of the barrel with no spin at 300fps, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A CLOSED BOLT BACK THERE, AN OPEN BOLT OR WGP ELVES, the ball will travel exactly the same on exactly the same path.
This is called PHYSICS and it will not be denied by all the powers of advertising.

As I said though, if the wedgits or the detent won't hold it that's the only possible problem.

If the ball arrives at the end of the barrel with no spin and it's shaped like an M&M it won't fly any better no matter what.
The fractions of a second it's in barrel can't be shown to have ANY effect on the ball whatsoever once it leaves, unless that barrel imparts spin like a flatline OR A BARREL WITH A SCRATCH RUNNING DOWN IT.
Noone's ever heard of the old 'line of nail polish down the barrel' working just like a flatline but me?????
Noone understands linear scratches would have the same effect?????

Anything else?


Everytime this subject comes up, B trolls right in with some method that requires the skills of a DaVinci to keep from wrecking a good barrel, when a flexhone IS $40.00 and lasts(so far) for 20 years!. I don't know if he just hates science or if Bud Orr is paying him.

Show me some science NOT made up on the spot by Bud Orr!

Edit: Added something then found it a little rude and took it back out, but to me this is like being told the phase of the moon affects WHAT TIME THE SUN COMES UP. For anyone who wants some flexhone info: Brush Research Manufacturing: Brush Literature


Rob

[Clearush]

for the sake of rollouts a paint barrel match or wedgits are a good thing on "closed bolt" markers.


And unless you have a gouge in the barrel that is busting paint a shotgun swab with some brasso chucked into a power drill can make that bore look shiney and pretty for a cost of $8-$10 total cost with brasso left over to do it again. Flexhone could be a good thing but it may not be nessecary.

[pizzaluvr]

Originally Posted by agentSmith

What exactly are you basing this on besides the advertising of those who sell closed bolt markers AND BARRELS????
Glenn Palmer, who went to all the trouble of making a glass paintball barrel says you're wrong. Tom Kaye, with his highspeed stop motion photography says you're wrong.
So I hope you'll pardon me for not believing you.

DON'T ASK A BARBER IF YOU NEED A HAIRCUT!!!! HE WILL ALWAYS SAY YES!!!!

If a ball arrives at the end of the barrel with no spin at 300fps, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A CLOSED BOLT BACK THERE, AN OPEN BOLT OR WGP ELVES, the ball will travel exactly the same on exactly the same path.
This is called PHYSICS and it will not be denied by all the powers of advertising.

As I said though, if the wedgits or the detent won't hold it that's the only possible problem.

If the ball arrives at the end of the barrel with no spin and it's shaped like an M&M it won't fly any better no matter what.
The fractions of a second it's in barrel can't be shown to have ANY effect on the ball whatsoever once it leaves, unless that barrel imparts spin like a flatline OR A BARREL WITH A SCRATCH RUNNING DOWN IT.
Noone's ever heard of the old 'line of nail polish down the barrel' working just like a flatline but me?????
Noone understands linear scratches would have the same effect?????

Anything else?


Everytime this subject comes up, B trolls right in with some method that requires the skills of a DaVinci to keep from wrecking a good barrel, when a flexhone IS $40.00 and lasts(so far) for 20 years!. I don't know if he just hates science or if Bud Orr is paying him.

Show me some science NOT made up on the spot by Bud Orr!

Edit: Added something then found it a little rude and took it back out, but to me this is like being told the phase of the moon affects WHAT TIME THE SUN COMES UP. For anyone who wants some flexhone info: Brush Research Manufacturing: Brush Literature


Rob

He also said that if you have wedgits you can do what your doing. I don't believe he was saying anything about the accuracy of a bigger bore. He was talking about the fact that they will roll out of a cocker or closed bolt marker more easily. This WOULD be bad on the accuracy and FPS.

[agentSmith]

A good thing I agree UNLESS the marker has this new thing called a 'detent' or another new invention you mentioned called a 'wedgit', I WILL correct you, however, that rollouts are not any good in an open bolt marker either.

I mention rollouts in every post so what's your point exactly?
As for:

And unless you have a gouge in the barrel that is busting paint a shotgun swab with some brasso chucked into a power drill can make that bore look shiney and pretty for a cost of $8-$10 total cost with brasso left over to do it again. Flexhone could be a good thing but it may not be nessecary.

unles you're a terminator, you will not be able to get the precision that the self centering and selftensioning flexhone gets. $40 AND THEY LAST 20 YEARS IS PENNIES A BARREL!!!!

Listen, it's not my mission to go around poking holes in WGP's silver dollar pinata, but I won't be trolled into silence by repeated comments about sewer pipe or SEPERATE issues like phases of the moon or rollout.
Andrewliu6294 did not ask about rollouts Clearush. Had he I would've suggested getting a smaller barrel.

WGP doesn't even enter my world, they don't make a pistol, so they might as well make lawnmowers, I could care less about them. However, I won't have people with bad or no data insinuate I'm a liar. Everytime B has trolled me I've given him the links to REAL data, he's never read a word of any of it or I would've gotten an apologetic PM by now. Deep Blue is waiting for him and the rest of you over at AO.org, let Tom Kaye call you guys liars instead of me.

I made the shot in that vid and every other shot I've made for the last 5 years, including 12 eliminations in a SPPL Finals game in Oklahoma last year, using a $120 Armotech zeus and then a $120 Miltec G2 pistol, both with .691 barrels flexhoned to .693.
Our 15 man(10players onfield, 5 subs) team took second in the michigan SPPL qualifier behind the Gardners and Darryl Trent with Smart Corps and took 10th overall out of 80 national teams with me as the onfield commander in all but 3 games(the onfield commander can't be subbed). My team believes in my pistol because they see things they don't want to believe all the time and it's NOT because Hong Kong makes magic barrels it's because I honed them.

The detent in my cheezy pistols wouldn't work for smaller paint when I got it, so ironically I use a Cooper-T COCKER detent that I modded on there, so I know a cocker detent is equal to the task if it's installed to it's maximum depth. I can now bench-rest shoot a mixed mag of .689 and .685 paint with noone able to tell what order I loaded them into the mag.

Rob 'can you tell I'm on Prednisone' Smith