Period correctness...

Eli · 06-09-2008, 03:32 PM

I'm in the process of acquiring a '96/'97 Cocker and was wondering what period correct/old school upgrades are out there. I'm really curious as to popular barrels from that time, as well as grip frames. Were we using drop forwards then, or were they a more late(r) 90's phenomenon?

Thanks guys...

-Eli

incynr8 · 06-09-2008, 03:40 PM

we had both drops and duckbills. I would say ridiculously forward drops were the 'fad'
JandJ or SP ported barrels, and Palmer barrels (for the less mainstream)
Armson was another, but be careful of bore sizes these days...
I didn't shoot cockers, so I can't help you much with frames.... Shot a typhoon back then.

HP_Lovecraft · 06-09-2008, 03:45 PM

At that point in the mid 90s, though, I think most were still using remotes? At least for HPA.

Dropforwards originally came out so you could run Co2 tanks on a bottomline, without liquid getting into the valve. Then people realized the funny angle meant it helped balance those huge 114ci tanks popular in the 90s.

Anyway, a nice huge Rock with thumb adjuster, and maybe Smart Parts All American barrel?

incynr8 · 06-09-2008, 03:47 PM

Keep in mind I've always hated remotes...!
ewww
rather do big tank on annoyingly too forward drop forward.

WilD · 06-09-2008, 03:51 PM

J&J, BOA and SP barrels from the time are a good choice. I'm not sure when the DYE one piece stainless came out, but I think it was a little bit after that. I can't recall how long I had my cocker when I ordered one of those (at great expense). Grip frames were not a common upgrade at the time (at least not that I had seen, and definitely not like they have been in recent years), most people were sticking with the stock frames at that time and then the .45 frames started to become more prevalent later. Inline regs were also uncommon "off the shelf". Many cockers were shipped as packages with expansion chambers at that time. I upgraded to an AA reg when I switched over to nelson style springs and tried to lower the operating pressure a little bit. Some other common "upgrades" were beavertails (I bought a TASO), and rock regs.

Edit: I had forgotton the threaded timing rod. It was a very popular and handy upgrade. I bought a stainless TASO model, with a matching cocking rod.

Jordan · 06-09-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eli

I'm in the process of acquiring a '96/'97 Cocker and was wondering what period correct/old school upgrades are out there. I'm really curious as to popular barrels from that time, as well as grip frames. Were we using drop forwards then, or were they a more late(r) 90's phenomenon?

Thanks guys...

-Eli

I would have to say a nice .45 slider frame, threaded timing rod,, SP AA barrel (probably a 16", seems to be a popular length). I know I liked to use a small drop-forward at the time. Definitely a non-slotted trigger plate, or at least a flattened timing rod. I don't remember when the cut backblocks came out - if it doesn't have it, definitely get one.

I've been shooting Cockers of some sort since 1999/2000, around then...If you can find them, BOA barrels were always nice - I always had one on a Cocker until they went out of business several years ago and I sold my last one.

Jordan

Eli · 06-09-2008, 04:01 PM

About what time was Benchmark making frames with the built-in drop? Similar to the Powerlyte frames.

This is gonna be a Sniper, BTW. I'm not gonna kill myself trying to find all the right parts, I just want a couple nods to that time. Wanderlustre has a 16" J&J hardchrome I might wanna buy, and I have an AA unireg on the way. A frame and maybe a drop (depending on what I want to use for air) are going to round the project out.

Thanks for the input guys; I really appreciate it...

Schmitti · 06-09-2008, 05:08 PM

DYE was "late" in the game with the barrels starting to come out around 1999/2000.

FOr really period barrels look at J&J brass or SP All American for the "mass" produced.

Eli... did you win sugarstump's AA unireg that he just had on ebay.. you dog you!

E

drg · 06-09-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmitti

DYE was "late" in the game with the barrels starting to come out around 1999/2000.

Dye was making barrels earlier than that, we were using boomsticks in 97-98 so the one-pieces probably predated that by a bit.

For the OP - definitely slider frame, swing frames were not out yet.

Schmitti · 06-09-2008, 05:31 PM

drg... really. I had a Dye lite that I got in 2000. I guess I had assumed that was one of their first. Sorry for that.

E

06-09-2008, 03:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Eli Idiot savant of Jenga Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NoHo, CA	Period correctness... I'm in the process of acquiring a '96/'97 Cocker and was wondering what period correct/old school upgrades are out there. I'm really curious as to popular barrels from that time, as well as grip frames. Were we using drop forwards then, or were they a more late(r) 90's phenomenon? Thanks guys... -Eli __________________ MCB Feedback

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incynr8 Flaky Admin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Amidst the Forest Creatures	we had both drops and duckbills. I would say ridiculously forward drops were the 'fad' JandJ or SP ported barrels, and Palmer barrels (for the less mainstream) Armson was another, but be careful of bore sizes these days... I didn't shoot cockers, so I can't help you much with frames.... Shot a typhoon back then. __________________

06-09-2008, 03:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
HP_Lovecraft MCB Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern Maine	At that point in the mid 90s, though, I think most were still using remotes? At least for HPA. Dropforwards originally came out so you could run Co2 tanks on a bottomline, without liquid getting into the valve. Then people realized the funny angle meant it helped balance those huge 114ci tanks popular in the 90s. Anyway, a nice huge Rock with thumb adjuster, and maybe Smart Parts All American barrel? __________________ www.montneel.com My Myspace nonsense "the evidence strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam (Smart Parts) could have invented the electronic paintgun" -Garr M. King, U.S. Judge

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incynr8 Flaky Admin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Amidst the Forest Creatures	Keep in mind I've always hated remotes...! ewww rather do big tank on annoyingly too forward drop forward. __________________

06-09-2008, 03:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
WilD the MilD MOD Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Motor City	J&J, BOA and SP barrels from the time are a good choice. I'm not sure when the DYE one piece stainless came out, but I think it was a little bit after that. I can't recall how long I had my cocker when I ordered one of those (at great expense). Grip frames were not a common upgrade at the time (at least not that I had seen, and definitely not like they have been in recent years), most people were sticking with the stock frames at that time and then the .45 frames started to become more prevalent later. Inline regs were also uncommon "off the shelf". Many cockers were shipped as packages with expansion chambers at that time. I upgraded to an AA reg when I switched over to nelson style springs and tried to lower the operating pressure a little bit. Some other common "upgrades" were beavertails (I bought a TASO), and rock regs. Edit: I had forgotton the threaded timing rod. It was a very popular and handy upgrade. I bought a stainless TASO model, with a matching cocking rod. __________________ PGPOG #79 POG #1055 My Feedback

06-09-2008, 04:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Eli Idiot savant of Jenga Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NoHo, CA	About what time was Benchmark making frames with the built-in drop? Similar to the Powerlyte frames. This is gonna be a Sniper, BTW. I'm not gonna kill myself trying to find all the right parts, I just want a couple nods to that time. Wanderlustre has a 16" J&J hardchrome I might wanna buy, and I have an AA unireg on the way. A frame and maybe a drop (depending on what I want to use for air) are going to round the project out. Thanks for the input guys; I really appreciate it... __________________ MCB Feedback

06-09-2008, 05:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Schmitti Red=Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Schen. NY	DYE was "late" in the game with the barrels starting to come out around 1999/2000. FOr really period barrels look at J&J brass or SP All American for the "mass" produced. Eli... did you win sugarstump's AA unireg that he just had on ebay.. you dog you! E __________________ Gone fishing

06-09-2008, 05:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Schmitti Red=Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Schen. NY	drg... really. I had a Dye lite that I got in 2000. I guess I had assumed that was one of their first. Sorry for that. E __________________ Gone fishing

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