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Old 06-16-2008, 02:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Race'd Cocker on CO2?

Not sure how well a Race solenoid tolerates CO2 (I think they're Humphries) - I plan to get a Fatty at some point with it to replace the Torpedo reg that's on it already, and I may pick up a female Stab to double reg it.

Sound like a good setup? Or should I just break down and get a HPA tank?

I'm really not that familiar with e-Cockers, least of all a Race frame, so I'm a little lost at the moment. I'll have it this week, just want to see what I have to do to use it this weekend. I've already got a spare female Stab I can toss on it if need be, with a matched A/S tank.

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Old 06-16-2008, 02:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I dont think the Humphries are rebuildable, in the case that co2 overpressurizes them?

The stab has co2 vents, which greatly reduce the chance of a blown noid, but not 100%. If you really wanted to run co2, a Rock also has vents, plus the anti-siphon would make for a pretty good combo.

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Seems to me that a HPA bottle would be cheaper and less hassle than setting the gun up to run properly with CO2 or buying new parts because you killed the 'noid with CO2.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
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HPA is the ultimate solution, but FWIW Torpedos work fine on CO2. A friend of mine ran CO2 through a torpedo to feed a Rainmaker; you can't get any more demanding in terms of sheer gas movement than that.
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Seems to me that a HPA bottle would be cheaper and less hassle than setting the gun up to run properly with CO2 or buying new parts because you killed the 'noid with CO2.
I agree, but I don't have a HPA tank right now, nor the spare cash to purchase one with, so I have to make do with Co2 for now.

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As long as you don't shoot long timely ropes with it, you should be fine.
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I agree, but I don't have a HPA tank right now, nor the spare cash to purchase one with, so I have to make do with Co2 for now.

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My point was that purchasing two Palmer regs for around $170 is more expensive and more hassle than just buying a HPA tank and doing it right the first time. If you try to run CO2 without the Palmer reg combo you may damage the solenoid and then you'll be out the money for a replacement solenoid and you'll still have to buy the palmer reg combo or the HPA bottle.

If your cocker is fairly efficient and air fills are nearby the field you could start out with something cheap like these:

Smart Parts 48/3000 Paintball Tank Guerrilla Myth Regulator

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My brother-in-law uses the bottom one on his new Black Magic and although the tank needs refilled rather frequently he likes it a lot.

A used fiber wrapped 4500 could be found a little bit more than that if you shop around.

I'm not saying you can't use CO2 or that you'll definitely have problems if you do but I am saying that by trying to use it you are taking the risk of spending more money in the long run and causing yourself unnecessary frustration. If it were me I'd shelf the gun until I had the money to use it properly and not risk damaging it or dealing with frustrating problems.
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Seems to me that a HPA bottle would be cheaper and less hassle than setting the gun up to run properly with CO2 or buying new parts because you killed the 'noid with CO2.
Sometimes CO2 is a necessary evil, if no HPA fills are available (I.E. playing on private land) a dual stab setup can come in very handy...

I use a anti-siphon tank and a fatty reg on my mech cocker, and I don't have any liquid issues, but then again, I don't have 'noids to worry about.
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I guess I phrased the question badly - I do plan to get a HPA tank at some point, but not at the moment.

Just wanted to know if it was possible to run CO2 on a Race'd Cocker, or, as mentioned, should I shelve it until I get a compressed air tank.

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Well I have run CO2 on an ecocker successfully with a dual-reg setup. You will want to work to keep liquid out as much as possible.

LP internals help too. This is something that got lost in the switchover to HPA as the dominant gas ... LP had an inherent point with CO2 use due to the thermodynamics of CO2.
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