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Old 07-22-2008, 10:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I have personally gotten just around 800 shots on a Full 9oz fill on my illegally modified carbine (Got arrested once for breaking the laws of thermodynamics) Through careful internals tweaking, Barrel length, and internal polishing.

Second to that was my Sovreign. And VMs aren't the suckers you rack them up to be, my modded VM gets around 500 rounds on a 9oz.

The only other semi I've ever shot that was close to that was a F-1 illustrator. Damn thing never ran out of air. Something like 1200 shots on a 9oz (Seeing a trend? Love those skinny tanks)
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:30 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Really? The Sovereign is listed on the Arrow site. Am I missing something?

And to answer the post about the SLG, I am indeed asking about mechanical guns.
So an Autococker with an E-frame doesn't count? Or an E-Spyder? I don't know...
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So an Autococker with an E-frame doesn't count? Or an E-Spyder? I don't know...
I am not a fan of electronics in markers, so no e-frames please. Thanks for all the input, I have some ideas for the future.
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ICD Alley Cat in my opinion I normally go all day on one 14 oz. fill. The velocity and blowback pressure tuning can tweak your marker down to a gas sipping beasty.
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I recall the old F1 Illustrator to be extremely efficient.
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:38 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I have also heard that the Arrow Precision Sovereign 3 was also quite efficient, but I guess that is a throw back to its lineage. It is basically a euro trash 'Cocker right?
i see that you are joking but i just want to make a post

the Sovereign is an auto-cocking gun, but way different than a cocker. it had an LPR as well as a 3-way to switch the actions, but the bolt was the ram. the bolt had a collar on it that acted as a piston. there where 2 air lines from the 3-way on the frame that ran to the body, which the collar sat, thus creating the seal and making he bolt act like a ram.

IMO, its a rather elegant way to slim done the old bulkiness of the cocker, which was very blocky at the time(circa 1997). but the cocker craze grew and parts and modifications where very limited. which is why the gun died.
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I had a few well modified spyders back in the day that did really well. A 20 oz lasted several days of play, but at the same time I really can't remember shooting a whole lot either.

I have had cockers that were quite easy on air and others not so much.
A classic valved Lvl7 mag is actually really decent on air, it is just that the last 600 or so PSI in the tank is not good to it.

I would guess that you ere talking only about semi-mechs and not pumps which by design would be more efficent for the lack of having to recock itself.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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For effeciency, I always think about the F1 Illustrator. Didn't it advertise 700 shots per 7oz? (so 2000 per 20oz)

Always struck me as odd that the F1 could be so vastly more effecient then the VM68. despite having the same exact design (at least in theory).

My Montneels get 1200/20oz, though on liquid.
I'll agree with that, I had one and it would get around 600 off of a 7oz. And it had a continuous valve leak. During cool weather, my tank always had a coating of ice.
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:37 AM   #29 (permalink)
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