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Old 08-02-2008, 10:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Nelson based markers.

I am looking for an explanation as to the "Nelson type" markers.

So from what I gather the following are nelson types:
Phantom, Desert Duck, box gun, Carter Buzzard etc.

What I would like to know is what is the original Nelson type marker and are all/most parts interchangeable?
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The original Nelson is for all intents and purposes the Nelson 007 (not including the early prototypes and such).

Most internals are interchangeable, but not all. Some use different bolts (bore drop vs breech drop), cup seals, etc. There are a ton of Nelson based guns, and many many many variations of the basic design.

Here's an animation of a basic breech drop Nelson pump (looks to be a Phantom):

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The first nelson in sport the nelspot there is some arguement that the nelson 707 is actually the first.

Thats actually a complex question. the best way to answer it is that there are two kinds of nelsons.

Nelson clones. Guns that are based on the orignal nelspot markers and use interchangable parts. the list of these markers is broad but most are no longer manufactured.

Nelson based markers guns that use simlar design but not all the same parts. As the guns became more refined over the years many modifcations were made so they cannot be considered true clones.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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There's also long powertube vs. short powertube as well .. Though, you don't see the short powertube varieties as often. I can't think of anything other than the hornet/traccer/maverick line of markers that used short powertubes.
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You also have 3 other powertube sizes in general; the maverick/trracer super short like you mentioned, the cci later tube, the original nelson type(most common length, including aftermarket units made by lapco and line si) and the extra long, or large variety of tubes from miscellanous mfg'ers, such as the original Razorback tubes, the Diablo tubes, and the BE tubes in Saber and Tigersharks
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Old 08-03-2008, 03:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Good article:

Pukin Dogs Paintball "How Neslon Guns Work"
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The easiest way to think of it is "Nelson" guns use a daisy-based powertrain. The original nelson 007 was built by Daisy, using the same style setup as with many of there airguns.

In general:
Inline poppet. With hammer and bolt in front of valve.

Within that provides a general layout, though you can have powertubes of different shapes, plus boredrop, breechdrop, etc. Semiautos are rare, but exist (ie AT85, Chameleon, etc)
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
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L stock for M16 style Phantom grip?

Edit: Oops! Thought I was making a new thread, not adding to this one... mods can delete this post if it's a hassle.
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So here's a question about Nelson-based markers: why do they only recock when gassed up? I understand why my 'mag does, but why do the Nelsons?
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The only thing I can think of would be that there is no back pressure on the power tub, so when you slide the hammer back instead of clamping on the power tub it just pushes it back.

That would be my guess.
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