Refillable 16 Gram Idea

Pishi · 08-25-2008, 05:27 PM

Hello Everyone, I've come up with an idea which I would like to run by you guys:

After finding a 16 Gram threaded C02 cartridge on Palmer's site, I came up with an idea which would allow you to use a bulk tank to refill 16 gram cartridge for more than one use. Here's the diagram I drew of the idea:

Basically what you would need to do is to screw the 16g into the refill adapter and open the on-off valve. Then you would screw in the Bulk C02 into the other end of the refill adapter and let the C02 flow into the 16g. Afterwards, close the on-off valve. Then you would disconnect both tanks from the adapter and screw the 16 g into a marker's ASA and open the on-off valve. Shoot until empty. Replace with other 16g and refill as necessary.

I would like some thoughts on the idea before I go ahead and buy the parts.

Schmitti · 08-25-2008, 05:36 PM

Well... besides the fact that the 16 gram says "Do not refill" on the side and even if you remove the sticker most techs won't refill the tank because they don't recognize it... your idea's ok... but only if you are doing so at your own risk with your own fill station.

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shoot to thrill · 08-25-2008, 05:37 PM

cept you have no way to accuratley fill them......kaboom

Critical · 08-25-2008, 05:38 PM

How are you going to control the fill? What I mean is, they weigh bulk tanks to determine the fill, with a 16g, connected directly, how will you make sure that no more than 16g goes in?

Dang! beat me by a minute while I thought about it.

Chappy · 08-25-2008, 05:39 PM

I'd think this would be very dangerous. As shoot to thrill said, you'll overfill and make a shrapnell grenade. Or you'll fill one too many times with a similar result. There is a reason they say do not refill, they are only designed to take fill pressure once.

capitalpaintball · 08-25-2008, 05:42 PM

I have an on/off cooper T adapter that screws into an ASA and then you screw your tank into it. Smart Parts had one to.
Technically you could thread a 12 gram bucket changer on it and refill 12-grams, but I don't see the point.

HP_Lovecraft · 08-25-2008, 05:43 PM

This also directly violates DOT rules. It is a very serious offense.

I understand WHY you want to do it. Small, cheap, refillable tanks. It seems like an endless, under-utlized resourse

They do make very small refillable tanks, which would be a better plan.
Its still clever, but no field that wants to stay in business would ever fill those. Plus, if they saw you filling them yourself, that might get you banned, or at least kicked out

shoot to thrill · 08-25-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capitalpaintball

I have an on/off cooper T adapter that screws into an ASA and then you screw your tank into it. Smart Parts had one to.
Technically you could thread a 12 gram bucket changer on it and refill 12-grams, but I don't see the point.

lets not encourage him.....

Pishi · 08-25-2008, 05:45 PM

Well, wouldn't it just fill to the 800 or so psi that the C02 normally is at? I assume the 16g tank would be able to accommodate those pressures.

HP_Lovecraft · 08-25-2008, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoot to thrill

lets not encourage him.....

Heck, just add a simple $2 backcheck valve to the bucket-changer. Fill as normal. No need for the T-adapter

08-25-2008, 05:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pishi MCB Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Refillable 16 Gram Idea Hello Everyone, I've come up with an idea which I would like to run by you guys: After finding a 16 Gram threaded C02 cartridge on Palmer's site, I came up with an idea which would allow you to use a bulk tank to refill 16 gram cartridge for more than one use. Here's the diagram I drew of the idea: Basically what you would need to do is to screw the 16g into the refill adapter and open the on-off valve. Then you would screw in the Bulk C02 into the other end of the refill adapter and let the C02 flow into the 16g. Afterwards, close the on-off valve. Then you would disconnect both tanks from the adapter and screw the 16 g into a marker's ASA and open the on-off valve. Shoot until empty. Replace with other 16g and refill as necessary. I would like some thoughts on the idea before I go ahead and buy the parts.

08-25-2008, 05:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Schmitti Red=Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Schen. NY	Well... besides the fact that the 16 gram says "Do not refill" on the side and even if you remove the sticker most techs won't refill the tank because they don't recognize it... your idea's ok... but only if you are doing so at your own risk with your own fill station. E __________________ Gone fishing

08-25-2008, 05:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
shoot to thrill play to kill Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Plymouth mass, and Maine Maritime Academy	cept you have no way to accuratley fill them......kaboom __________________ Maine Maritime 2011 Gun Bag:Carter Mini Comp, Carter Tricar, PPS Blazer "I don't like a man who carries a sawed off 12 gauge under his coat, because He doesnt like to miss" -Bob Lee Swagger MCB Feedback

08-25-2008, 05:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chappy CC Team Chump Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phillipsburg, NJ	I'd think this would be very dangerous. As shoot to thrill said, you'll overfill and make a shrapnell grenade. Or you'll fill one too many times with a similar result. There is a reason they say do not refill, they are only designed to take fill pressure once. __________________ My Feedback: http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/s...3932#post13932 "They wouldn't pay me more to bury you rich than to bury you poor." Soundgarden

08-25-2008, 05:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
capitalpaintball MCB Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Coventry R.I.	I have an on/off cooper T adapter that screws into an ASA and then you screw your tank into it. Smart Parts had one to. Technically you could thread a 12 gram bucket changer on it and refill 12-grams, but I don't see the point. __________________ my feedback: http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/f...-feedback.html

08-25-2008, 05:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Critical TANSTAAFL Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: People's Republic of Maryland	How are you going to control the fill? What I mean is, they weigh bulk tanks to determine the fill, with a 16g, connected directly, how will you make sure that no more than 16g goes in? Dang! beat me by a minute while I thought about it.

08-25-2008, 05:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
HP_Lovecraft MCB Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern Maine	This also directly violates DOT rules. It is a very serious offense. I understand WHY you want to do it. Small, cheap, refillable tanks. It seems like an endless, under-utlized resourse They do make very small refillable tanks, which would be a better plan. Its still clever, but no field that wants to stay in business would ever fill those. Plus, if they saw you filling them yourself, that might get you banned, or at least kicked out __________________ www.montneel.com My Myspace nonsense "the evidence strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam (Smart Parts) could have invented the electronic paintgun" -Garr M. King, U.S. Judge

08-25-2008, 05:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pishi MCB Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Well, wouldn't it just fill to the 800 or so psi that the C02 normally is at? I assume the 16g tank would be able to accommodate those pressures.

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