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Old 11-14-2006, 01:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Buzzard vs. Comp.

Since I mostly play pump nowadays, I will most likely sell all my semis (except my Blazer and Typhoon) and pick up a Carter. There are some slight differences between the Comp and the Buzzard but having owned neither, I was wondering if some members in the know might answer some questions.

For example, I know that Buzzards take cocker barrels and my understanding is that the Comp won't. Is the Comp barrel built in or can it be unscrewed (for example, if you fall and the barrel bends, is the gun finished?)

I read a review on http://www.pbreview.com that dismantling the buzzard in order to clean a ball break is a hassle. Is this true? Is the Comp different (better) in this aspect?

The Buzzard costs less. Is there a major reason for this?

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Old 11-14-2006, 03:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In my experiences (2 comps 2 buzz's) dismantling a comp is much harder. Depending on the buzzard. One of my buzzards barrels can come off without loosening the collar. That makes things A LOT faster, and can be done on the field. If the barrel doesn't come off with the collar locked in, then you're gonna need allen wrenches to do just about anything(comp or buzzard). From what I hear it's kinda luck of the draw on that part. But i still don't see any reason a comp would be any easier.

The barrel issue, i actually don't know. Never tried switching barrels. Be careful with thinking buzzards take cocker threads because in all honesty, some do, some don't. Nice thing now is that you can order a buzzard with a barrel kit from Carter.

Also don't limit yourself to just carters. I love em, but not everyone does.

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Old 11-14-2006, 04:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You like your blazer/phoon? Why not go for a pimped out Super Stocker? or are you specifically looking for something nelson based?

I haven't (yet) owned a carter, but I have read A LOT on them, and it seems if you're just looking for a great pump, you might as well go phantom. easier cleaning/maintenance, lighter (which can be a disadvantage, depending on preference), cheaper, more options (left, right, center feeds in both stock and gravity, all sorts of air options), etc
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To quote B from this post Carter Machine ???

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Carters are sniper threaded not cocker threaded there is a distinct difference.
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What's the exact difference between Sniper and Cocker threads then ?
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B could answer that better than I can,the threads are basically the same but,I'm pretty sure the main difference is the beginning of the bore of the barrel is wider,I'll see if I can get him to post here about it
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Old 11-14-2006, 07:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You like your blazer/phoon? Why not go for a pimped out Super Stocker? or are you specifically looking for something nelson based?

I haven't (yet) owned a carter, but I have read A LOT on them, and it seems if you're just looking for a great pump, you might as well go phantom. easier cleaning/maintenance, lighter (which can be a disadvantage, depending on preference), cheaper, more options (left, right, center feeds in both stock and gravity, all sorts of air options), etc
I do love my Palmer guns, except that I absoluetly hate the Sheridan type grips. I have a Typhoon that I LOVE, but only after I slapped a .45 frame on it. The marker is my absolute favorite but now, after the .45 conversion the pump kit won't fit it.

And the reason I might prefer a Carter over the Phantom is the weight. The Phantom is really light and I'm a big guy who lifts a lot. I find the phantom just too featherweight to shoot with - believe it or not, the weight on the Typhoon is one of the things that makes me prefer it to the Blazer.

but I appreciate the input
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Old 11-14-2006, 07:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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To quote B from this post Carter Machine ???
Thanks. This is the kind of thing that helps a lot

I'm guessing that since one of the things one is supposed to do when ordering a Carter is have a conversation with Earon or one of his workers, one *might* be able to specifically ask that the marker being made for them ends up accepting cocker barrels, or that they have a hardline installed for an extra fee...
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:26 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You can put a 45 on a Super Stocker. It'd cost about the same as a Carter then...Even put a Phantom Feed on there.

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Really? That's kind of sweet... I may have to think about that seriously.
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