Slam vs. Bucket vs. Lever vs. In Grip 12gm? - Page 2

idkfa · 02-04-2009, 10:11 AM

And that is all that matters! We often try to squeeze the best efficiency, but how many people really push it to the end of the 12 gram in a real game situation? Go with what you are best at shooting.

R.J. · 02-04-2009, 10:43 AM

In tourney play with 12 gram I always changed after 15 to 20 shots just to keep as much of a full charge as possible.Also droped in fresh 12 gram when ever there was a lull in the shooting.
RJ

taco · 02-04-2009, 10:54 AM

nothing to do with efficiency but my issue with the slam changer and in grip are occasionaly you would get a stuck twelve gram and have to tear down the grip frame ive had that problem with my box gun

Schmitti · 02-04-2009, 11:10 AM

Direct to the valve with as short a path as possible is the most efficient... so that would equate to in the grip or a drop out changer (No ASA). the ASA adds path length, and therefore room for expansion prior to the valve. If you could get Mike (CCI) to do a bucket straight off a dropout changer then you'd get the best of both worlds.

For a phantom, the vert air in front of the trigger guard with a 12gr is the least efficient of all.

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Heebs · 02-04-2009, 11:42 AM

The valve on the Redux seems huge to me as well.

I cant recall popping open other valves to compare it to but there is a lot of space in the Redux valve.

Frink · 02-04-2009, 11:51 AM

That's a good point, it does seem big. I've been thinking of getting a good low range scale for a bit, once I buy it I'll weight the valve on it's own, then fill it with water and weight it again. I can do the same for my Phantom and Mini Comp, see what sort of internal volume we're dealing with between all 3.

Schmitti · 02-04-2009, 11:53 AM

If someone had time and access to a lather and material, they could certianly make a valve that is a sipper (very small volume) that still shoots at playing speed. I think you would almost want to mimmick a liquid gun, like a montneel..... basically have almost all of the expansion of the liquid occuring in the breach behind the ball rather than in the valve itself.

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c6quad · 02-04-2009, 01:07 PM

just do like B says and cut down some delrin pieces to put inside the valve chamber to devolumize it.

Schmitti · 02-04-2009, 01:08 PM

Or you can do that

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Azzy · 02-04-2009, 01:18 PM

I remember Punisher mentioning 22lr shells filled with wax are perfect for valve spacers. Or something along those lines.

02-04-2009, 10:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
idkfa Stock Class Aficionado Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada	And that is all that matters! We often try to squeeze the best efficiency, but how many people really push it to the end of the 12 gram in a real game situation? Go with what you are best at shooting. __________________ MCB Feedback The PhOG Feedback eBay Feedback Newfoundland Paintball Supply

02-04-2009, 10:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
taco Ornamental redneck Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: lbc	nothing to do with efficiency but my issue with the slam changer and in grip are occasionaly you would get a stuck twelve gram and have to tear down the grip frame ive had that problem with my box gun __________________ Mcb lovin!

02-04-2009, 11:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
Schmitti Red=Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Schen. NY	Direct to the valve with as short a path as possible is the most efficient... so that would equate to in the grip or a drop out changer (No ASA). the ASA adds path length, and therefore room for expansion prior to the valve. If you could get Mike (CCI) to do a bucket straight off a dropout changer then you'd get the best of both worlds. For a phantom, the vert air in front of the trigger guard with a 12gr is the least efficient of all. E __________________ KD2BLZ

02-04-2009, 11:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
Heebs Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2007	The valve on the Redux seems huge to me as well. I cant recall popping open other valves to compare it to but there is a lot of space in the Redux valve. __________________ Heebs Feedback

02-04-2009, 11:53 AM	#17 (permalink)
Schmitti Red=Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Schen. NY	If someone had time and access to a lather and material, they could certianly make a valve that is a sipper (very small volume) that still shoots at playing speed. I think you would almost want to mimmick a liquid gun, like a montneel..... basically have almost all of the expansion of the liquid occuring in the breach behind the ball rather than in the valve itself. E __________________ KD2BLZ

02-04-2009, 10:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
R.J. MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Middle Tennesse	In tourney play with 12 gram I always changed after 15 to 20 shots just to keep as much of a full charge as possible.Also droped in fresh 12 gram when ever there was a lull in the shooting. RJ

02-04-2009, 01:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
Schmitti Red=Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Schen. NY	Or you can do that E __________________ KD2BLZ

02-04-2009, 01:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
Azzy Passing through rider Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	I remember Punisher mentioning 22lr shells filled with wax are perfect for valve spacers. Or something along those lines. __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommonâ€”if I can. I seek opportunityâ€”not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me.... â€ - Dean Alfange

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