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Old 12-12-2006, 06:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Now I have a question, I will never leave CO2, should I really shoot for a classic mag, or would a proclassic work just as well?
I have a question...why do you think that it's a good idea to never leave co2?
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Old 12-12-2006, 06:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The valve in a mag is also a good regulator, so even the lowliest working mag comes equipped with a regulator included. I can't think of any other marker that can make that claim.

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the Mokal UltiPro came with a built in reg way back when, fwiw
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Availability and price are my main reasons. I have never had an issue with consistency when I take the necessary precautions (A/S, xchamber, regulator, whatever I need).

I have no reason to switch to HPA. Once I get a reason or reasons, I will re-evaluate, but for now, there is no need
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I have a question...why do you think that it's a good idea to never leave co2?
I can think of a few...

* Cost
* Availability (for many)
* Smaller tank sizes & weights per shot


I prefer CO2 whenever possible. However, in colder weather HPA does have advantages.
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Old 12-12-2006, 07:20 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Do what you feel like, but I recently made the jump and the consistency in my shooting is like night and day. My snapshots are a lot more accurate, I don't have to worry about liquid decimating my ball in the chamber, and dropoff is pretty much nonexistent.

The only downside?

I'm messing around with a big steel tank on a Trracer. The way it's balanced, it keeps wanting to paint the ceiling.
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I have borrowed HPA tanks, and put them on the markers I tuned to be consistent with CO2. I saw no difference. If someone does see a difference, I fully support their switch, but my consistency didn't change, so I didn't.
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I have found that at a lot of fields its a lot easier to refill HPA tanks than it is to do CO2 tanks . . . and you can 'top off' the HPA tanks between games.

I use both, fwiw
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When playing on private fields I can carry my own fill station with me, a 10 liter 300 BAR scuba tank. Thats plenty of air for two or three players. Some guys split the cost of the tank 3 ways and they fill it in turns. I dont know about you people but here in Finland you can get scuba tanks filled at the local fire dept. (5 min drive).

Mags especially hate liquid co2. In cold weather its impossible to play without restricting on the amount how many balls you shoot or that mag is going to double up as a fire extinquisher (lets all the co2 out from the barrel when it freezes up).

After I swithced to comp air on mags I never even looked back. Its completely different.


Those that were complaining about huge steel tanks weight, well maybe your problem is just that you didn't buy a fiber wrapped tank. Save a little longer and you'll appreciate it. I have both types of tanks and to tell you the truth I've used the steel tank only once.
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Yeah, CO2 can be problematic, but if you take the precautions necessary (anti siphon, or remote line, or whatever) you'll be fine. Just be a bit more cautious when it's 10 degrees outside.
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Old 12-13-2006, 09:30 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I had the same opinion as Aqua_scummm for quite a while.
I recently realized two things though:
-The cost involved in making multiple markers work well with CO2 was more that the price of a cheap steel HPA tank (for the cost of two Palmers Stabs you can get an HPA tank).
-Living in Montreal with our winters & wanting to play outside once in a while was not going to work with CO2 especially on my mag which is my primary marker.

I recently got a 48/3000 tank for just under $70 Canadian at an X-mass sale at a local PB place & I am happy with it. With unlimited air at most fields I play at it was worth it for me & I don't shoot that much so the smallish tank isn't an issue.
For the rare times I play outlaw I can use one of my other markers that will deal better w/CO2.
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