Educate me

greenmtnphantom · 06-25-2008, 08:51 AM

I just recently crawled out of my cave and started noticing these ATS markers. My biggest question is how do they work? I understand the nelson valve system, I don't understand how they make it semi or for that matter full auto. I juess since nelsons autotrigger by design once you make it semi making it full auto isn't far off though.

So I know how BE did it with the Rainmaker, How does ATS do it?

CB103 · 06-25-2008, 10:00 AM

Here you go.

greenmtnphantom · 06-25-2008, 10:09 AM

Yeah I found that I just don't seem to be able to follow it without knowing whats pressurized at what point. For example is the "pluger" at the back end of the "pump/cocking" rod pushed back by air pressure? Forward by air pressure? Is it springs?

Gumby · 06-25-2008, 12:36 PM

There is a detailed chain of events in the manual, both hard-copy and on the webpage. Basically the trigger pawl has 3 positions it can go into on the selector. The first is safe, in this spot the trigger pawl does not release the hammer sear. Next is semi, in this position the trigger pawl releases the hammer sear and then it falls forward as the sear returns so you need to release the trigger for it to reset into the firing position. The FA position releases the sear and is held in place by the selector to continue to release the hammer sear as it returns to the forward position.

The air path is a bit tricker but I'll try. Incoming air is regulated down to approx. 135psi for the pneumatics. It goes from the regulator into the center core of the cycle valve. In the resting/ready to fire state the spool is back and the air is directed to the back of the piston cylinder. When the hammer strikes the main valve a separate portion called the striker continues on to hit the rocker. This pushes the cycle valve spool forward and re-directs the air to the front of the piston cylinder. When this happens it cause the piston to retract and bring the bolt rearward. As this happens the hammer spring is compressed and the chain is advanced. Once the piston completes the travel a collar on its' shaft forces the rocker back into the resting/ready to fire position. This pushes the now connected hammer/bolt forward and the cycle repeats.

How does that sound?

russc · 06-25-2008, 12:54 PM

In summation, if you like beautifully complex machines you'll probably cry with joy when you first open up your ATS.

nichiren · 06-25-2008, 04:52 PM

that happened to me a few days ago, i'm still next to sleep with it...

onecaribou · 06-25-2008, 05:29 PM

How they work is almost as cool as their effect on those you fire them at.

HurtCow · 06-25-2008, 06:10 PM

Plus they're really really loud. Like Vector loud.

John Satclaire · 06-25-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HurtCow

Plus they're really really loud. Like Vector loud.

I feel the urge to acquire a new group of weapons coming on. Especially since the one complaint I have about my Vector is its lack of F/A.

HurtCow · 06-25-2008, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Satclaire

I feel the urge to acquire a new group of weapons coming on. Especially since the one complaint I have about my Vector is its lack of F/A.

It's a different kind of loud, but still loud. Especially a 6" AT-10 barrel w/ loudener.

06-25-2008, 12:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Gumby MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 218	There is a detailed chain of events in the manual, both hard-copy and on the webpage. Basically the trigger pawl has 3 positions it can go into on the selector. The first is safe, in this spot the trigger pawl does not release the hammer sear. Next is semi, in this position the trigger pawl releases the hammer sear and then it falls forward as the sear returns so you need to release the trigger for it to reset into the firing position. The FA position releases the sear and is held in place by the selector to continue to release the hammer sear as it returns to the forward position. The air path is a bit tricker but I'll try. Incoming air is regulated down to approx. 135psi for the pneumatics. It goes from the regulator into the center core of the cycle valve. In the resting/ready to fire state the spool is back and the air is directed to the back of the piston cylinder. When the hammer strikes the main valve a separate portion called the striker continues on to hit the rocker. This pushes the cycle valve spool forward and re-directs the air to the front of the piston cylinder. When this happens it cause the piston to retract and bring the bolt rearward. As this happens the hammer spring is compressed and the chain is advanced. Once the piston completes the travel a collar on its' shaft forces the rocker back into the resting/ready to fire position. This pushes the now connected hammer/bolt forward and the cycle repeats. How does that sound? __________________ I'm Gumby, Damnit! Damage Inc! Spring Pump Event - Best game ever

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