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Old 10-21-2010, 12:15 PM   #1001 (permalink)
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Old 10-21-2010, 12:18 PM   #1002 (permalink)
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I feel the same way. it's easy enough to tune most sniper-ish guns to be very quiet, cant believe i never clued in the delrin vs rubber would make such a change

(and of course since the falcon was based to some extent off my modified illusion I expect it to meet or surpass it in all departments, including its stupidly silent noise signature).
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Old 10-21-2010, 12:20 PM   #1003 (permalink)
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Confirmed fix, you guys rock!!! I dropped my Palmers valve stem (with rubber inset cupseal) into the gun, perfect fit, and valve bounce is now zero. gun sounds almost as quiet as my illusion! absolutely kickass!!!

and so I have yet another part I have to redesign. I do not like how the palmers valve pins are made and need a better solution involving a synthetic soft seal. perhaps a captive oring?


awesome results with the 12 grams jack! I'd like to see if this new valve stem gives me some extra shots, but I'm down to about 20 paint left.
The current ccm SS25 valves are an oring seal on the valve stem. Its replaceable too. Drop in replacement for any spider style valve, which I believe the trilogy is.
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Old 10-21-2010, 12:27 PM   #1004 (permalink)
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The current ccm SS25 valves are an oring seal on the valve stem. Its replaceable too. Drop in replacement for any spider style valve, which I believe the trilogy is.
well if it IS a drop in... you COULD use a CCM valve pin..
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:38 PM   #1005 (permalink)
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well if it IS a drop in... you COULD use a CCM valve pin..
Just as long as it's the correct length.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:35 PM   #1006 (permalink)
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no no. not an oring on the valve stem, there is really no need for that. I'm thinking like, an oring to make the seal for the valve (in contact with the cupseal). as opposed to just delrin on brass.
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no no. not an oring on the valve stem, there is really no need for that. I'm thinking like, an oring to make the seal for the valve (in contact with the cupseal). as opposed to just delrin on brass.
Probably less wear and tear that way
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splattttttt I wasn't goin to google "chubbin" because I assumed it had to do with fat. The lard type, not the fun stuff. But what ever feelings Jeff's experiencing, then they must be of the fun like stuff...
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well if it IS a drop in... you COULD use a CCM valve pin..
The valve assembly as a whole is a drop in, that doesn't mean the individual pieces are interchaneable with anything else.

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no no. not an oring on the valve stem, there is really no need for that. I'm thinking like, an oring to make the seal for the valve (in contact with the cupseal). as opposed to just delrin on brass.
Thats what I was trying to convey. The seal is an oring not delrin face. I said valve stem as in it is connected to the valve stem not in the valve body. Looks like a small cup seal, but has a replaceable oring face.
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The cup seal is almost identical to the PPS style, only that withh the CCM, it's rebuildable
CCM Loer Tube Kit

There's also this style that I like
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:18 PM   #1010 (permalink)
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ive been using nylon and teflon cupseals in my illusions on brass and aluminum valves for well over a year now. yet to have a problem.
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