Gemini Board... anyone have a programming guide?

RedHairedTrev · 05-30-2011, 05:51 PM

Does anyone have a programming guide or know how to work the Gemini board for the rainmaker? I believe Bad Mojo Werks made this board. Help me put life back into an old piece of history!

Thanks,
-Trevor

HP_Lovecraft · 06-08-2011, 02:04 PM

The Gemini was made by Al Mollick. The company was called Porno-Paintball, through the "Pneumagic" brand.
The old website is archived here

Though I don't see an online manual for it.
Curiously, Mollick has his own website.

You could try sending him a direct email.

Also some good info here. Scroll down to the Gemeni, and it says how to adjust dwell, et.

RedHairedTrev · 06-08-2011, 03:09 PM

I am impressed! I have done hours of research on this question using his name, his company's name, name of the board, nicknames, countless rainmaker threads, etc and have found nothing. I feel I know more about this Al Mollick character than anyone by now haha. Thanks for the info though - it is really going to help. Many things seem very... sketchy with his product development. I am not knocking the guy, but I will email him as a last resort because I feel as though he wanted to leave the paintball industry and move on.

Thanks!

HP_Lovecraft · 06-09-2011, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedHairedTrev

I feel I know more about this Al Mollick character than anyone by now haha.

Al Mollick is a character.
A brilliant guy, but lacking any common sense.

He was the first to do e-cockers. I think he was charging $2000 or so. Yes, they were functional electronic cockers, but when you opened up the grip, you say things connected with fishing line, running through soda straws. Plus glue, and solder drips over everything.

He had the first aftermarket boards, and did lots with the Rainmaker, offering all sorts of conversions.

Anyway, on that vexacontrol link above, it lists the adjustments as:

Quote:

MODES:
Semi-auto, full-auto
selectable with onboard 2 position switch

DWELL:
20 to 80mS (adjustable with onboard DW pot)
Time delay between shots is also adjustable from 20 to 80mS with onboard F/A pot.

BPS:
6.11 to 22.9 with onboard pots

RedHairedTrev · 06-09-2011, 03:23 PM

Yeah, I am not talking in a derogatory manner about him, he's just more of your essentric type it seems. I give him some credit.

Anyways, yeah I dug and found those stats as well which are very useful. The "notes" section is a little odd though:
Notes:
Adjusting the dwell (DW) pot changes the BPS rate which makes setting the BPS rate and desired dwell a balancing act.

I am assuming this functions similar to the ion board?

HP_Lovecraft · 06-09-2011, 04:28 PM

I've never used an ION, but I've used a variety of rainmaker boards (ie KM2, Thunderboard, stock, etc).

Dwell is important with the rainmaker. Since rainmakers work via autotrigger, you need a complete cycle, or the hammer never drops. Seems the way Mollick calculated dwell, if you lowered the dwell, he did not offset the space between shots to keep BPS constant?

A bare-stock rainmaker might only cycle up to 12-13cps before skipping. Lots of tricks can increase that, like using larger hose/fittings, and mostly importantly, a good adjustable LPR. With those, it should be able to cycle up to 16-17. Beyond that, you really need hammer/bolt mods, but people have seen cycle times above 20 with enough work.

But Mollick is mollick. He is like all the other odd airsmiths that have come and gone. Like Sam Tussin. Another oddball. Paintball is full of them.

foughtwolf · 07-21-2011, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft

Al Mollick is a character.
A brilliant guy, but lacking any common sense.

He was the first to do e-cockers. I think he was charging $2000 or so. Yes, they were functional electronic cockers, but when you opened up the grip, you say things connected with fishing line, running through soda straws. Plus glue, and solder drips over everything.

He had the first aftermarket boards, and did lots with the Rainmaker, offering all sorts of conversions.

Anyway, on that vexacontrol link above, it lists the adjustments as:

Wait, this wasnt the bloke that tended to rip people off and glue parts to guns saying it helped accuracy, was it?

This guy:
http://www.docsmachine.com/ec5.jpg

RedHairedTrev · 07-21-2011, 06:58 AM

If you do a search for the guy, you can find everything you are looking for. However, this thread's intention is for info on one of his circuit boards.

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HP_Lovecraft Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern Maine	The Gemini was made by Al Mollick. The company was called Porno-Paintball, through the "Pneumagic" brand. The old website is archived here Though I don't see an online manual for it. Curiously, Mollick has his own website. You could try sending him a direct email. Also some good info here. Scroll down to the Gemeni, and it says how to adjust dwell, et. __________________ www.montneel.com "the evidence strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam (Smart Parts) could have invented the electronic paintgun" -Garr M. King, U.S. Judge

06-09-2011, 04:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
HP_Lovecraft Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern Maine	I've never used an ION, but I've used a variety of rainmaker boards (ie KM2, Thunderboard, stock, etc). Dwell is important with the rainmaker. Since rainmakers work via autotrigger, you need a complete cycle, or the hammer never drops. Seems the way Mollick calculated dwell, if you lowered the dwell, he did not offset the space between shots to keep BPS constant? A bare-stock rainmaker might only cycle up to 12-13cps before skipping. Lots of tricks can increase that, like using larger hose/fittings, and mostly importantly, a good adjustable LPR. With those, it should be able to cycle up to 16-17. Beyond that, you really need hammer/bolt mods, but people have seen cycle times above 20 with enough work. But Mollick is mollick. He is like all the other odd airsmiths that have come and gone. Like Sam Tussin. Another oddball. Paintball is full of them. __________________ www.montneel.com "the evidence strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam (Smart Parts) could have invented the electronic paintgun" -Garr M. King, U.S. Judge

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06-08-2011, 03:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
RedHairedTrev Active Member Join Date: Jan 2011	I am impressed! I have done hours of research on this question using his name, his company's name, name of the board, nicknames, countless rainmaker threads, etc and have found nothing. I feel I know more about this Al Mollick character than anyone by now haha. Thanks for the info though - it is really going to help. Many things seem very... sketchy with his product development. I am not knocking the guy, but I will email him as a last resort because I feel as though he wanted to leave the paintball industry and move on. Thanks!

06-09-2011, 03:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
RedHairedTrev Active Member Join Date: Jan 2011	Yeah, I am not talking in a derogatory manner about him, he's just more of your essentric type it seems. I give him some credit. Anyways, yeah I dug and found those stats as well which are very useful. The "notes" section is a little odd though: Notes: Adjusting the dwell (DW) pot changes the BPS rate which makes setting the BPS rate and desired dwell a balancing act. I am assuming this functions similar to the ion board?

07-21-2011, 06:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
RedHairedTrev Active Member Join Date: Jan 2011	If you do a search for the guy, you can find everything you are looking for. However, this thread's intention is for info on one of his circuit boards.