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Old 01-06-2011, 02:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Buzzard/Boxgun stroke

What are the performance differences between the Buzzard and the Boxgun? Pump stroke? Efficiency? ect?
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The pump stroke on the Buzzard (and presumably the Mini-Buzzard) is divine. While I prefer Phantoms to Carters, the thought of that silky smooth stroke and positive catch makes my knees tremble. Box Guns, at least my old (new) one, have a very substantial feeling stroke. Not "heavy' in the traditional sense, rather, that you are moving a lot of mass. Arguably not as smooth as a Buzzard, as there is more potential for pump-to-marker contact, but nice nonetheless.

I found my new build Box Gun (completed Fall 2008) to be about the most efficient gun I have ever personally used. It would sip CO2 and generally the only indication of an empty cartridge was quite literally a ball falling out of the barrel (read: count your shots). I was pulling 4 tubes and change indoors (250 fps yes, but quite chilly) on ICO powerlettes. I would assume the same, if not better, efficiency during the warmer temperatures, even accounting for higher velocities. The two Buzzards I used to own were about average; I had no trouble getting 3 tubes of solid shots out of them, and that was with little to no tinkering.

My Box Gun had some issues from the factory that I felt were not acceptable for the price paid. Some would call it a "custom" or "boutique" gun that needs end-user tailoring prior to use, but it was barely functional when I received it. Earon was more than willing to help out, and it was fixed just prior to a new owner taking control. Buzzards have the well-known snub and bolt o-ring "issues" that plauge some owners. They are relatively easy fixes, but may keep older, snub and collar based Carters from being truly worry free guns.
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So is it wort the extra couple hundred bucks to get a boxgun?
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Do you like long guns or pistols? They are entirely different machines, in entirely different classes. They should not be ranked above or below each other; they are laterally equivalent depending on your playing style and likes.
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Do you like long guns or pistols? They are entirely different machines, in entirely different classes. They should not be ranked above or below each other; they are laterally equivalent depending on your playing style and likes.
+1. There's no right or wrong in either gun
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And if you do go to get a Boxgun, see this thread as this is a unique boxgun:Its christmas time!!! Personally I like the idea.
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Also about Stocks: Which is more cozy to you guys? L or T stock?
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Personal preference to be honest. I like em both.
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I've never tried an L as I have only tried a Tand it wasnt my favorite.
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