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Old 08-24-2012, 03:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How would you change the Phantom?

My Phantom is my favorite paintball gun, but it's not perfect, so it got me to thinking:

What changes do you think Mike should make to all Phantoms made in the future?

So far I've been able to come up with 2:

1. Mill the bottom of the .45 frames differently so that they're parallel to the body of the gun.

2. Cut the adjustment slot of the TPC deeper and manufacture the adjustment tip accordingly so that it provides a surer fit and doesn't wear out so easily.

Anyone got any others, big or small?
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Bore fired like a Carter. And bore size options, eliminating the need for freak boring. Besides, a new CCI barrel is like $40 and you'll spend over half of that to half it bored and another half for one brass insert.

I always seemed to have several ball breaks a day with my Phantoms, but it's very very rare for my Carter to do it and I attribute it to the ball being fired while in the barrel. Freak boring reduced the breaking, and detent rings increased it.... from my experience.

Personally, I see enough room for improvement and refinement (such as the current Nelson-valve work being done by MCB members) that the Revolution should have never been created... but that's my opinion.

I too love the Phantom. If I had a BBA Phantom that was fired from the bore with a .680 barrel I could hang my Carter on the wall.
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My Phantom is my favorite paintball gun, but it's not perfect, so it got me to thinking:

What changes do you think Mike should make to all Phantoms made in the future?

So far I've been able to come up with 2:

1. Mill the bottom of the .45 frames differently so that they're parallel to the body of the gun.

2. Cut the adjustment slot of the TPC deeper and manufacture the adjustment tip accordingly so that it provides a surer fit and doesn't wear out so easily.

Anyone got any others, big or small?
You can get the 45 grip cut that way.
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should i post my list.....

hmmmmm
  • Parallel 45 frame
    -no more 5*
  • Cocker threading option
  • trifluted hammer stock
  • shorten the valve
  • use a standard (or work with somebody and have a standard feedneck)
    -ccm and cci and spyder all use a .500 radius tube w/ feedholes, make them the same hole pattern
  • mill the face of the trigger assembly perpindicular to the pump linkage
    -so the spring doesnt bind
  • change the bucket changer threading to be a significantly different thread than the ASA
    -so it cant be put in backwards and mash the 1st thread
  • continue clear acrylics
  • make a 12" barrel so i can stop correcting people and say its 11"
  • trigger shoe should be standard
  • detent system
    -ego or asp
  • 2 screw feedneck system for his oc/sc adapter
    -goes back to my feedneck bullet

i think thats it
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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So... Retro 7?

seriously. the only features listed that aren't on the Retro, are ones which don't apply or are actually not possible (like adding a second screw hole for vertical feed... not possible due to wall thickness)
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So... Retro 7?

seriously.
thats a little tooo extreme
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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and of course, the price... the reason the Phantom has such an attractive price, is because Mike has kept a design that works, and produced it for many years. I do feel that maybe, making an upgraded Phantom would be better than the Revolution, but that's only because I haven't seen solid testing data yet that shows off the viability of the Revolution in field performance etc.
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and of course, the price... the reason the Phantom has such an attractive price, is because Mike has kept a design that works, and produced it for many years. I do feel that maybe, making an upgraded Phantom would be better than the Revolution, but that's only because I haven't seen solid testing data yet that shows off the viability of the Revolution in field performance etc.
100% agree

I wish he would offer the "racing" or "sport" version of his phantom

doing standard swapped parts colors (like ccm) barrel upgrade, trigger shoe, hammer, tpc, valve would be sweet

i honestly have been meh about the revolution
its fun to shoot
its loud as hell
and is a great plinker

its not a high performance speedball pump by anymeans....
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