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Old 04-11-2013, 05:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Personally, I wouldn't even CONSIDER the Carter or LAPCO.

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Old 04-12-2013, 10:24 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the advice. Looks like a Phantom is in my future.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:43 AM   #14 (permalink)
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With all the suggestions toward the Phantom, I have a question. I have used a Phantom before and it feels incredibly too light to me. I am used to playing with guns like Mags and my Vector or PMI3 so the Phantom is like a leaf and I find myself over correcting as I move. Would one of the other guns feel better ( have more weight) to me?

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Old 04-12-2013, 11:06 AM   #15 (permalink)
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With all the suggestions toward the Phantom, I have a question. I have used a Phantom before and it feels incredibly too light to me. I am used to playing with guns like Mags and my Vector or PMI3 so the Phantom is like a leaf and I find myself over correcting as I move. Would one of the other guns feel better ( have more weight) to me?

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Could just get a brass/stainless steel body from Ken when they're released.

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Could just get a brass/stainless steel body from Ken when they're released.

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Old 04-12-2013, 11:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
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To be fair, you did post this in the CCI subforum so it may be biased toward the Phantom. I have said this on more than one occasion but I don't mind saying it again... I have owned phantoms, Grey Ghosts, Carter Buzzards, a MiniComp, box gun, even a Gargoyle, and while they are all great markers they have all been sold except two Grey Ghosts. Are they perfect... No but they are not far away. The only real advantage to the Phantom is options which you said you weren't interested in, and the Ghost does not really need to be changed if you want a good VSC set up. It has a great slide trigger, better stock internals than the phantom ( phantom owners drop lapco internals in their phantoms as an upgrade), and a pump stroke almost as smooth as a Carter, and it has an anti-rollout detent that phantom users have to add as an aftermarket mod. I guess I don't really see why anyone would choose a Phantom except for the afore-mentioned options...
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To be fair, you did post this in the CCI subforum so it may be biased toward the Phantom. I have said this on more than one occasion but I don't mind saying it again... I have owned phantoms, Grey Ghosts, Carter Buzzards, a MiniComp, box gun, even a Gargoyle, and while they are all great markers they have all been sold except two Grey Ghosts. Are they perfect... No but they are not far away. The only real advantage to the Phantom is options which you said you weren't interested in, and the Ghost does not really need to be changed if you want a good VSC set up. It has a great slide trigger, better stock internals than the phantom ( phantom owners drop lapco internals in their phantoms as an upgrade), and a pump stroke almost as smooth as a Carter, and it has an anti-rollout detent that phantom users have to add as an aftermarket mod. I guess I don't really see why anyone would choose a Phantom except for the afore-mentioned options...
I knew posting this question in the CCI forum, I would get a bias towards Phantoms. But figured there would be enough players here that would give me a wide variety of options.

In regards to the GG, is that why I hardly ever see any used ones for sell? Other than the lack of customization (compared to a Phantom) are there any negatives to one?

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Old 04-12-2013, 12:34 PM   #19 (permalink)
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There have not been a lot of 2006+ Grey Ghosts made. I think it has only been a few hundred since 2007, compared to the tens of thousands of Phantoms made over the last 25 years or so.

The GG is a great gun, as stated before, you are just kind of stuck with what you get. It has the nicest pump stroke on a Nelson short of a Buzzard, and it doesn't have all the quirks of a Carter.
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:09 PM   #20 (permalink)
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The ghost does have negatives. One of the biggest, though I have not had to deal with it yet, is that the threading for the stock class feed is directly into the aluminum of the body, instead of having a steel insert like the phantom, causing them to strip easily if not careful. Lapco, I've heard, will put a steel insert in upon request. Another is a lack of barrel options that fit inside the pump handle. I have a set of lapco barrels turned down to fit in mine...
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