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Old 01-10-2014, 12:57 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'll have an unregged stock phantom in the mail which I will run off a 13/3000. I'd be happy to shoot a hopper or two over a chrony. I'll also get barrel sizing, temperature, and psi decrease.

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Thanks, I appreciate the offer. However, I'll be testing the consistency/efficiency of 12-grams so unfortunately, I won't be able to use your data. Also, in order for me to get truly accurate test results I need to conduct controlled side-by-side tests of the same gun (with the stab and without), using the same paint, same bore-matched barrel, same brand 12-grams in the same temp/humidity with the same amount of time in between shots over the same chronos (I'll be using two) at the same elevation. Doing it this way is the only way to ensure an accurate assessment of the stabilizer's true performance. Otherwise we'll be comparing data with too many different variables = apples to oranges. I plan on documenting most, if not all, the testing with video as well.

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Old 01-10-2014, 01:19 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks, I appreciate the offer. However, I'll be testing the consistency/efficiency of 12-grams so unfortunately, I won't be able to use your data. Also, in order for me to get truly accurate test results I need to conduct controlled side-by-side tests of the same gun (with the stab and without), using the same paint, same bore-matched barrel, same brand 12-grams in the same temp/humidity with the same amount of time in between shots over the same chronos (I'll be using two) at the same elevation. Doing it this way is the only way to ensure an accurate assessment of the stabilizer's true performance. Otherwise we'll be comparing data with too many different variables = apples to oranges. I plan on documenting most, if not all, the testing with video as well.

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Makes sense, good luck and god speed
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Old 01-10-2014, 06:30 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Speaking of stabilizer questions, I've got a male Stab on the way for a cocker build, thinking of tossing it onto my VSC while I find the rest of the parts. However, I have a problem. I want to put the bucket changer on a duckbill ASA Hawaiian style, but can't remember if I need the 5 or 15 degree mounting block to get it level with the barrel on a 45 frame.

I think it's the 15, but anyone remember for sure?
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I just measured my 45* Phantom frame with my Angle Finder and it only measured 5*.

When I mounted my rail for an on/off ASA to use my 13/3000, all I did was put a #10 flat washer between the frame and the rail. It's almost square to the body.
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Fair enough, thanks!
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Slim-Love that you are doing this. I know this will answer some questions for me as well.

In the meantime, is palmers pursuit the only manufacturer of these? Is there anything else out there remotely similar? (preferably cheaper)
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Is palmers pursuit the only manufacturer of these? Is there anything else out there remotely similar? (preferably cheaper)
Yes, Palmer's is the only company currently making a stabilizer that is built into a Phantom valve body. At the bottom of the first post I gave some details about other (cheaper) alternatives to the PPS Phantom stab (CCI reg, PPS Sideline stab, etc.). You can run any high pressure reg/stab you want, but will need to figure out how to relocate your 12 gram changer if you attach the reg/stab to the vertical ASA on a VSC Phantom.
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I just measured my 45* Phantom frame with my Angle Finder and it only measured 5*.

When I mounted my rail for an on/off ASA to use my 13/3000, all I did was put a #10 flat washer between the frame and the rail. It's almost square to the body.
Yup, that is not a 45 degree frame, it is modeled after a Colt 1911 .45 frame, as in 45 caliber. The 86 degree frames made by ccm for autocockers/snipers measure 86*, however, the phantom version of the ccm 86* frame is slightly different and in fact less than 86*.
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LOw pressure stabilizer spring packs are useful when building up Nerf rocket launchers...

Stabilizer Conversion Kit, Low Pressure [REGS041] - $37.00 : Palmers Pursuit Shop, Where Custom Still Means Something

I have also used them in tandem with a sidewinder to run an AKA Viking on CO2
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Old 02-09-2014, 10:27 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Two questions about stabilizers.

1. Will using a stabilizer effect how I am springing my gun

2. The "side" stabilizer can the quick disconnect be swapped for a normal fitting? I'm not a huge fan of steel hose

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