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Old 04-06-2011, 09:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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CCM family tree question

I see the thread at the top about endless variations and I've got some questions. What are the release orders of the various guns? Chronologically how does the S5, SS-25 and the J2L fit in? Were both the S5 and SS25 available as cockers? What are the differences between the S5 and the SS25?

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Old 04-06-2011, 09:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There was a J2 and a J2L as well right?

Yeah, a history / evolution from the old cocker days would be cool to know.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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S5 and J2 were before SS-25. S-5 and J2 sold as both semi's and pumps. That's where you had the original 96* double hinge and sliders from that era. You could get 45's too. I seem to recall that CCM never really sold them as electronics from the factory, but I think you were able to order a kit which you'd just need to add an e-blade to where it came drilled for eyes and such.

SS-25 was the first solely for pump marker CCM put out as the feed came such that an S/C feed could be added at a later date. Stock class was a lot bigger in those days and added a bit more bang for most new products around that time. Not sure why they went with the valve change though.

Not too sure what, if anything pre-dates the Series 5 and J2 under the CCM name(as opposed to works). I really only started following them when they started making pumps.
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S5, J2-03, J2-04, SS-25, S6, S5 Basic, T2, J2l, S6.5
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so what happened to series 1 to 4?

on a serious note - which of those shipped as semis? I've seen S5s and the SS25 has an actuator rod hole in the ASA right?
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Semis, to my knowledge were just the J2's 03-04 and the S5's. And the Works cockers. The other guns listed came pump only.

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I think the J2L was released after the S6.

The SS25 was not sold as a semi to my knowledge, and only a handfull of S5's were. The S5 is a true full body, the SS25 is a full body that is mini'd and has a pump kit unique to the SS25 but will take and other regular kit handle. The SS25 also has the spyder/trilogy style valve in it,, the S5 iis a standard cocker valve.

The timeline how I remember it is:

S5, J2 (different milling from 03-04) SS-25, S6, J2L, T2, then the one pc body/asa S6's and J2L's, and the S6.5.

I could be wrong but this is how I remember it, some of my extra curricular activities tend to render my memory to be unreliable at times haha.
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Semis, to my knowledge were just the J2's 03-04 and the S5's. And the Works cockers. The other guns listed came pump only.

Jay
my SS-25 has a actuator rod hole in the ASA - was that just designed as a "just in case" hole?
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Jason did have intentions of making the SS-25 a semi also. But that idea never happened.

That is why yours has a hole for the three way rod.

To my knowledge ther were never any assembled into a semi.
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Jason did have intentions of making the SS-25 a semi also. But that idea never happened.

That is why yours has a hole for the three way rod.

To my knowledge ther were never any assembled into a semi.
are there front blocks available?
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