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RuleOfSines 01-13-2013 07:42 PM

Mini, Y-Framed, MQ2'd Cocker Project
 
I don't have a name for this build, just a goal of where I want to end up. The idea is to make this cocker as small as I can, while still functional. It will be a slow build, as the parts are expensive and I can't acquire them all at once. Here is a mock-up of the parts as I have them now:

https://lyfj1g.dm1.livefilestore.com...003.jpg?psid=1

What is in store:
Midgetizing - as small as I can make it with the MQ2 valve
Not going to half-block, the bolt pin will be inserted through the bottom of the frame, not readily field serviceable. Possibly custom made delrin bolt, no o-rings for minimal resistance.
AKA 2 Litre +
Aka SCM
ANS Ram
Some sort of drop-forward, have to pick one that will balance the marker well
I have a T-board, was going to get a Tadao but don't see much need for it at the moment.
Still need to acquire eyes and a solenoid.

super_stanchy 01-13-2013 07:47 PM

when i built up a couple MQ builds, i took an IVG and cut it into 1/3 as thick... let you cut just that much more material off the body

why not do a no show midblock?

RuleOfSines 01-13-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by super_stanchy (Post 2591805)
when i built up a couple MQ builds, i took an IVG and cut it into 1/3 as thick... let you cut just that much more material off the body

why not do a no show midblock?

Thanks for the tip on the IVG, didn't think of cutting that down.

Perhaps no-show midblock is what I am envisioning? I haven't heard that term before. I'll be slotting for the bolt pin from below the marker, so there is no visible pin on the top and the upper structure of the body is retained. As much of the back of the marker will be removed as possible, but I intend for it to be a straight up and down cut. To remove the bolt, I will have to align the pin with the timing hole in the upper body, and push it out the bottom.

I'm probably describing it incorrectly. I will be using a sled and no backblock.

super_stanchy 01-13-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RuleOfSines (Post 2591822)
Thanks for the tip on the IVG, didn't think of cutting that down.

Perhaps no-show midblock is what I am envisioning? I haven't heard that term before. I'll be slotting for the bolt pin from below the marker, so there is no visible pin on the top and the upper structure of the body is retained. As much of the back of the marker will be removed as possible, but I intend for it to be a straight up and down cut. To remove the bolt, I will have to align the pin with the timing hole in the upper body, and push it out the bottom.

I'm probably describing it incorrectly. I will be using a sled and no backblock.

yup

your on the right track, but if you drill out the timing hole to be .250" +
you can pull the pin out of the top... just drill/tap the pin and use a screw to grab it and pull it out!

RuleOfSines 01-13-2013 08:05 PM

I am using a modified Black Magic sled to fit in the Orracle body:
https://lyempg.dm1.livefilestore.com...006.jpg?psid=1


Quote:

Originally Posted by super_stanchy (Post 2591831)
yup

your on the right track, but if you drill out the timing hole to be .250" +
you can pull the pin out of the top... just drill/tap the pin and use a screw to grab it and pull it out!

Ah!I didn't realize there was already a name for this setup. I may drill out the hole, I would like to do as little machining as possible at the top, but it may be worth the convenience. I kind of like the idea of it not being obvious how it goes together.

super_stanchy 01-13-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuleOfSines (Post 2591832)
I am using a modified Black Magic sled to fit in the Orracle body:
https://lyempg.dm1.livefilestore.com...006.jpg?psid=1




Ah!I didn't realize there was already a name for this setup. I may drill out the hole, I would like to do as little machining as possible at the top, but it may be worth the convenience. I kind of like the idea of it not being obvious how it goes together.

did you already machine the side? or did it come that way?

RuleOfSines 01-13-2013 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by super_stanchy (Post 2591843)
did you already machine the side? or did it come that way?

The mini Orracle comes that way, one of the reasons I chose to use that body. The cut isn't square or tall enough to fit a sled without modifications, I chose to slim the sled down rather than cut the body further.

super_stanchy 01-13-2013 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuleOfSines (Post 2591845)
The mini Orracle comes that way, one of the reasons I chose to use that body. The cut isn't square or tall enough to fit a sled without modifications, I chose to slim the sled down rather than cut the body further.

then isnt the top already slotted?

RuleOfSines 01-13-2013 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by super_stanchy (Post 2591862)
then isnt the top already slotted?

No, its an oddly purely aesthetic cut on the Orracle. Almost like they were considering going that route, then just changed their mind.

super_stanchy 01-13-2013 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuleOfSines (Post 2591896)
No, its an oddly purely aesthetic cut on the Orracle. Almost like they were considering going that route, then just changed their mind.

interesting!


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