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[Walking_Target]

Originally Posted by Sumthinwicked

please please dont make this into a fight about ur stupid opions on SNIPERS in pb.... if you wanna make a claim like i cant hit you from 200 feet stand downrange with my bipod LOL or my longbow until then help him make his marker in the sniping style which is what he is after aka stocks aka barrels blah blah or quit clogging his post fyi the a5 barrels i have here at my house fit his gun word it how you want ....... and regs ? on a tippmann thats funny hpa air regged out of the bottle is fine

Um...

Did you even bother to read our posts? We gave him the best advice to give on making a prolite into a 'sniping' type marker, which is to make it more accurate.

Accuracy is determined by consistancy, and we gave the best advice to get consistancy on that marker.

So, if you have nothing to contribute to this thread but to chastise the people who are actually giving advice, don't bother posting.

[Sumthinwicked]

i'm the one who sent him here and i didnt like your advise go buy a reg are you high ? its a tippman put a regged tank on it bam look u have regged air ...... he is asking for PARTS aka link me or help me find kind of stuff if you cant read my english ohh well deal with it do you feel any better is your e~wang any bigger than mine now ? would you like fries with that order okie then thanks drive through '

[pizzaluvr]

What's wrong with regs? Many people run regs on their A5's. They did recommend a regged tank... It's called an HPA tank. They where simply recommending a second reg to help with. That's the only part of your post I can reply to as I don't understand your "English" in the rest of your post.

[Sumthinwicked]

none the less back on topic guys were talking about prolites and links to some parts


if you guys want to slam me or my english do it in a pm enough bickering please and ty

[Al Ray]

and regs ? on a tippmann prolight ? thats funny hpa air is regged right out of the bottle which is enough adding another one just adds wieght

Yes Hpa is reged out of the bottle, typicly to around 850psig. however If you knew anything about how the valve system on any gun works you wouldnt say that another regulator is pointless. Let me explain. All valves on all guns are opened for a period of time to pass the gas into the bore of the gun and thus prepel the ball. The amount of time that the valve is open is known as dwell . Increasing/decrecing spring tension, usualy accomplished via changing springs, or in the case of most blowbacks via an "RVA". RVA, of course stands for "rear velocity adjuster" however what you are doing by adjusting this is changing valve dwell (more tension +valve open longer=more gas usage=faster velocity). The RVA shouldnt however be used to adjust the velocity on a C/A gun more than 5-6fps in either direction. So then how do we adjust velocity? Well thats simple, you just change the pressure in the valve, and thats done via a regulator, basic physics. Since most HPA tank regs arent adjustable without removing the valve from the tank, your going to need a second regulator. Furthermore, since I know it will come up, the stock velocity adjustment on a tippmann is accomplished via creating turbulence in the powertube, and thus more gas than needed is used to propell the ball and of course that means reduced efficency. That screw should be removed and replaced with a shorter one (loctited in place) that doesnt extend into the powertube.

Now about CO2. Co2 exists in a liquid state, depnding upon pressure and temperature. When the pressure in the tank is lowered, the co2s boiling point (ie the phase change between liquid and gas) changes and more liqid co2 boils into co2 gas. Depending upon the rate that co2 is consumed, (ie how fast you pull the trigger) and along with the ambient temperature, pressure will pulse inside the system. to help even these pulses, a few things can be done. you could use coiled up braided steel line tiewraped on the side of the gun(of corse this looks funky) or use an expansion chamber. The expansion chamber gives the gas a space to expand, and thus that means lower pressure, witch means the liquid will boil into a gas, of corse this can fail due to temperature and how fast you pull the trigger. The sulution is to run a second regulator. Not only do the regs serve as EX chambers, the second will buffer the pulses from the first. They should of corse be set at different pressures with the one closest to the tank being set higher than the one downstream(the one downstream is of course the one used for velocity adjustment as well)

For reference both a PT chart and a graph of Co2 are shown below ( EDIT For clarification: R744 is Co2)





On the 200 ft shot with a bipod n use comment. The trajectory of a paintball is as such that the max angle of the gun (IE bopod fully extended and grip frame on the ground) is still to low for the balls to reach the 200 ft mark at 300fps. They will hit the ground around 175 feet. something like an undershot bolt or flatline will gain some distance, however at 200 feet the velocity of the ball will have slowed to a point that the spin takes control and the ball hooks. This means that hitting anything at that distance is only by chance.

So now the question comes to mind "how do I keep reitivly steady on a target and still hold the gun at an angle suffecent to make 200 feet shoots possible". Well first off "holding the gun steady on the target" is a bit missleading. The gun will always float to some exent, knowing when to squeze the trigger (note I didnt say pull) is the key. Now since a scope is poinless on a pb gun beyond use for recognisance(sp) your note going to see this realy come into play with paintball equipment at the shrt distances we shoot. Still a steady aim can still be acheved via a thin narrow sling. The trick is to have the sling just long enough to get a wrap around your forarm, this alone will steady your shot. Again it relitivly pointless in paintball becuase of the distances we shoot.

Bottom line is that the consistancy and efficency of the gun are what counts, not some silly stuff for looks. I can have a gun that looks like a sniper rifle and cant hit the broad side of a barn, yet a properly honed and tuned nelspot or Sheridan can make the shots.

[Walking_Target]

^ Epic Win

[Sumthinwicked]

al ty for the science lesson ill lesson to reason thats backed by info

[Al Ray]

Oh and for anyone wanting to do further research on the subject, try searching "Boyles Law" "Charles Law" and "combined gas law". Oddly enough the Wikipeadea articles are pretty good , looks to me as if someone pretty much coppied them out of either the RSES or NATE manual, granted we are talking about Laws of Phyics so the written explanations should be basicly the same.

[Nighthunter027]

ok thanks guys for your help but my head hurts now (too much sicence too early in the morrning) lol I might be tradeing it soon so I'm going to hold of on upradeing it thanks though