Hmn, easy barrel kit?

Sly1 · 05-18-2008, 11:04 PM

is there anything that stops a person from chucking up a freak insert, and cutting it into 3-4 equally lengthed peices, and boring a few barrels for them? could you just screw the barrel into the gun to hold it in place?
I have friends with snipers that hate the roll out, and are on the verge of buyying spyders to stop it.. I tell them to get a barrel kit, but yeah.. so this would be an easy solution..
I'm going to try this with a few stock barrels I have laying around... and could potentially offer this as a service eventually if it's not already.

Fubarius · 05-19-2008, 08:24 AM

I'd worry about collapseing the inserts when cutting them.

Though I wonder, why not just bore the barrel for the whole insert? No real advantage to using just a third of one.

Sly1 · 05-19-2008, 09:56 AM

yeah, except by using 1/3 of one, I have 2 more left over.. for to more barrel kits..

collapsing the insert wouldn't happen I dont think, the lathe's jaws will hold it fairly semetrically.

Brick · 05-19-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly1

yeah, except by using 1/3 of one, I have 2 more left over.. for to more barrel kits..

collapsing the insert wouldn't happen I dont think, the lathe's jaws will hold it fairly semetrically.

Depending on what type of lathe you're using I think the lathe jaws themselves would collapse the insert. I think you would need a good amount of force to hold it in place (obviously) and that force required to keep it steady when spinning would be equal to the force needed to collapse the insert. Give er a try I would make sure you have a spare insert kickin around.

Mayvik · 05-19-2008, 12:52 PM

And you also have to worry about the integrity of the bore at the cutting location. If you crush it at all or end up with any burrs or whatnot, you'll end up breaking balls every shot. At the very least you'll probably need a local deburr and re-polish.

If the problem is rollouts, you need a better detent solution. Nail polish would be the ghetto solution since it sounds like you want to do something on the cheap. You might be able to rig up something using (or similar to) Phantom detent rings as well. Another option, albeit more pricey, you could the barrels wedgit-ized by Palmers if they are of a type that PPS can do. Yet another option would be trying to modify or build your own "unisizer" like the ATS guns use.

BTW..Freak inserts are like..$12 new...so unless you're mass producing "mini-Freak"s or something, you're going to spend more time/energy in setup costs (and probably scrap) trying to slice them down than you'd spend just buying another insert or two.

MassDestruction00 · 05-19-2008, 12:57 PM

turn a piece of delrin to slip fit in the bore in order to be able to clamp it with no deformation (also if you have a machine set up for 5-c it may be better

capitalpaintball · 05-19-2008, 01:08 PM

I think its a great idea. I was considering it myself for a few of my pumps. I just dont have the ability to do it.
Its just for roll-outs so the chunk of sleeve only needs to be about the with of the ball, depending on the gun. On some markers the bolt enters the barrel, so a tight sleeve might inhibit the action.

Sly1 · 05-19-2008, 07:03 PM

It's a 3jaw chuck, and it won't crush the inserts... it really doesn't need that much force, just enough to keep it from moving, a sharp cutting tool and light passes is more than enough to cut through that thin of tubing..

and for the de burring, I plan on just doing it on the lathe, and running a quick and easy polish with some rouge.. Once my insert arrives, I'll be trying this.

Phantom Power · 05-19-2008, 07:43 PM

A python kit would be the ideal solution.

Sly1 · 05-19-2008, 07:52 PM

yes, but I don't want to pay for one.. my friends are in the same financial boat as I am, and this seems like a quick and easy solution to nock out 3 (birds/peoples issues) with one insert

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Fubarius Seasoned Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Richmond, WI Posts: 511	I'd worry about collapseing the inserts when cutting them. Though I wonder, why not just bore the barrel for the whole insert? No real advantage to using just a third of one. __________________ David Johnson aka Fubarius Four out of five voices in my head think I'm completely normal.

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MassDestruction00 MCB Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: florence ma Posts: 383	turn a piece of delrin to slip fit in the bore in order to be able to clamp it with no deformation (also if you have a machine set up for 5-c it may be better __________________ Delrin Sheridan Bolts http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/d...tml#post322593 My feedback http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/f...tml#post322596 when you buy smartparts the terrorists win

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capitalpaintball MCB Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Coventry R.I. Posts: 461	I think its a great idea. I was considering it myself for a few of my pumps. I just dont have the ability to do it. Its just for roll-outs so the chunk of sleeve only needs to be about the with of the ball, depending on the gun. On some markers the bolt enters the barrel, so a tight sleeve might inhibit the action. __________________ my feedback: http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/f...-feedback.html

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05-19-2008, 12:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mayvik Sausage Lover Join Date: May 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 2,464	And you also have to worry about the integrity of the bore at the cutting location. If you crush it at all or end up with any burrs or whatnot, you'll end up breaking balls every shot. At the very least you'll probably need a local deburr and re-polish. If the problem is rollouts, you need a better detent solution. Nail polish would be the ghetto solution since it sounds like you want to do something on the cheap. You might be able to rig up something using (or similar to) Phantom detent rings as well. Another option, albeit more pricey, you could the barrels wedgit-ized by Palmers if they are of a type that PPS can do. Yet another option would be trying to modify or build your own "unisizer" like the ATS guns use. BTW..Freak inserts are like..$12 new...so unless you're mass producing "mini-Freak"s or something, you're going to spend more time/energy in setup costs (and probably scrap) trying to slice them down than you'd spend just buying another insert or two.