Paintball

[Cockerpunk]

surrender rules are dumb like that. its one thing to play with surrender rules and go easy on new guys, but with experienced players there is no need. when playing with surrender rules, i tend to keep back and not get into those situations. its easier and quicker to pop someone at 20 feet then sneak in an surrender them and risk a close up shot or questionable shot.

[heinous]

Originally Posted by sunshaker

So I snuck up the one side and tagged one guy, shot at a second and ducked back into cover. The second guy sticks his gun around the corner and yells "Mercy" (aka surrender) and then, without giving me time to accept, blind fires a bunch of shots (I'm not sure how many). I was less than a foot away, I have between 5 and 8 welts (the paint was leaving welts all day so it is hard to tell which ones came from what) with 1 or 2 of the bleeding. Sooo Mad.

maybe you guys are old school or in a different type of field, but my field doesn't even have a surrender rule. it's totally optional for the shooter to offer it, and as a relatively new player i can understand if someone's adrenaline made him shoot first ask later. at least he wasn't shooting at you after you were eliminated, that'd be a reason for me to get mad. but i've always accepted getting shot close up as part of the game.

and yes, i've been bunkered before, but now you have war scars to talk about (I still have one from 2006)

Originally Posted by Cockerpunk

surrender rules are dumb like that. its one thing to play with surrender rules and go easy on new guys, but with experienced players there is no need. when playing with surrender rules, i tend to keep back and not get into those situations. its easier and quicker to pop someone at 20 feet then sneak in an surrender them and risk a close up shot or questionable shot.

but you're missing half the fun. if it was up to me i would sneak as close as possible and offer a surrender. if he turns around i'd have shot him before he is done turning.

[NSGSplatmaster]

Yeah, agreed on that. If you want the finesse of the surrender / barrel tag kill, that's fine, but don't assume anyone is ever going to extend you a courtesy. I'm ready to light people up the moment they turn around.

[sunshaker]

Originally Posted by The Inflicted

Sunshaker, in his defense, you did try to sneak up on them.
If it was blindfiring that's one thing, but it sounds like you were the one who got so close to them in the first place. If they had been trying to bunker you I would be more sympathetic.

Rectangular field, we started on opposite corners, I ran up the long distance, they went the short distance, I got there first (not sure how that happened, I'm not that fast). I popped out and got the first guy (who was going along the back) 15-20 feet away (250 fps or less) as he was coming at me, and popped back into cover (had to take two shots, first missed, I am no pump god). Second guy, who was on a different course (going to the center but then changed course to close with me, he came up on my blind side, easier to draw than explain) got to the cover corner, stuck the gun around the cover, yelled for mercy and then opened up without looking.

I don't mind reasonable short range (anything closer than 10 or 15' is too close and he was less than a foot), I object to the volume of fire, I object to the blind fire and I object to the shooting faster than I can respond to the mercy call (one for one is good by me).

[sunshaker]

I didn't offer him the mercy, he offered it to me about 0.01 seconds before shooting at me.

[heinous]

well blind firing is a big no-no here too. you would be able to have a ref walk over and have a good talk with him, but there's not much they can do besides kicking him off the field if he does it again.

but i can't object to the volume of fire because i myself am guilty of that too. i usually fire 3-5 shots at an opening, knowing my aim is not super. i would stop if it is a problem but i have never gotten a complaint.

but seriously, were you really going to surrender? it's more fun to try to get out of it in which case he did you a favor by telling you where he was

[tencent]

had something like that happen.. playing with pump a kid with a spyder on 5 shot burst stitched me up the side from a few feet away. Apparently just shooting someone in the legs as a kind of mercy firing or saying surrender doesn't work.

As for taking a few shots instead of just one as mentioned prior.. it depends on who you are playing. If its a group of guys that are all higher level players no one thinks twice about taking two or three hits when they are all back to back. Its just part of the game when everyone is playing with their e-grips and being really competitive. What I hate though is when you see these guys with superior markers and skill annihilating new guys. I always try to make it a point to try and shoot new players in the marker or feet whenever possible, if only everyone did the same.

[d4rksabre]

In the similarity of this story, I was once playing some walk on speed-ball a few years back and was using my PMI-1 at the time. The round was almost over and there was one kid left behind the very back bunker, so I went to surrender him since I knew it was a young kid and didn't want the other players on my team to get there first and dump a bunch of paint on him.

I ran up, and was shocked to find two kids hiding behind the bunker and in that split-second accidentally shot the second one as I was surrendering the first. Only one round of course, barely shooting 220, but I immediately apologized to the kid I shot because I hit him from such close range (in the leg if I remember right).

It's not exactly the same as this, but it's that same concept of "holy crap" and reacting on instinct rather than by doing what you intended to do.

The guy may have intended to surrender you, but in the heat of running up reacted as though he expected you to shoot him anyways. Like I said before, sh*t happens.

[fossilhead]

It's happened to me. Walk it off. Sorry if that sounds insensitive. But this is an adrenaline game. Things happen.

[alpha434]

I've heard a lot of complaining about blind firing...

But really the problem is overshooting. I don't mind if a guy tries to get me blind. I do mind if he shoots me 20 times from very close, blindly or not.

In CO, we have no surrender rule. One field is supposed to have it. But it's ridiculous. I've been shooting it out with people, and as they get closer, I stand my ground and then have the ref pull them when they're within 20ft for not offering a surrender. Do that a couple of times, and the reffing staff stops enforcing that rule.

But I do heartily agree with going easy on new players. That's what that rule is for. When I get close, I always give them one on the pack or gun when I get close. It's easier to say "You're out" than "Surrender!" Even a total rookie gets adrenaline soaked and starts shooting. The more you startle them, the worse it will be.

I do offer surrenders to local players with "Legendary" status, or close to. Then it's "Please surrender, sir!" out of respect.

And barrel tagging is legal everywhere. For sure. And makes a better story if you accidentally get shot afterwards.