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|02-03-2010, 12:15 PM||#1 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Making a standard thread for all Paintball Guns... "Autococker".
I am a believer that the less different barrel threads in paintball the better. Now that I have my website up and running a little better I wanted to make technical resources available to everyone, and this is something that has been bugging me for ages and that I have wanted to publish for a long time.
Autococker, although not a great thread in all honesty (for length of gun reasons, and unthreading reasons), has become pretty much a standard in Paintball.
Unfortunately when Budd Orr made Autococker barrels he never made a technical drawing available to everyone (that I could find) to specify exactly how they should be made, or how the gun's internal receiver for the barrel should be made.
This has led to many different people "having a go" at it with varied success, and unfortunately we have ended up with many different set ups hitting the market such that there has been compatibility issues in the past between what were supposedly "autococker" threaded barrel and "autococker" threaded guns.
We ran into this issue when we made the Invert Mini. The barrel was a beautiful fit to the gun, but unfortunately some aftermarket barrels didn't fit or were crazy tight because of the slip fit dimensions we set up for the inside of the guns breech.
That led us to measure every gun and barrel we could get our hands on, and come up with a set of dimensions that, whilst they annoy the heck out of me from an engineering fit point of view , ... should allow guns and barrels made to these dimensions to work with almost all aftermarket barrels and in almost all guns.
The PDF file for the Barrel and Gun dimensions are here. http://www.simonized.com/images/simons/SPEC.PDF
Now this isn't set in stone, and I welcome input into this.
Here I have an Excel spreadsheet of barrels and guns that we measured and the dimensions that resulted. http://www.simonized.com/images/simo...rel%20Spec.xls
If you have any barrels or guns that aren't on the list, please add them in a post below. Or in the thread here on my website. Making a standard thread for all Paintball Guns... "Autococker".
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|02-03-2010, 12:39 PM||#2 (permalink)|
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vail, AZ
Looks very good Simon, thanks for making the pdf available to us. I used my new style Kaner that came on my Karnivor as the model for my Ace of Spades project. While I didn't do a complete drawing, the major dimensions line up to what you have.
Collar length: 1.250
Threaded length: ~.250
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|02-03-2010, 12:44 PM||#4 (permalink)|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
The thread differences are so annoying. I have a LAPCO sizer stuck on my favorite un1tec right now because I went too far and they jammed together.
|02-03-2010, 12:55 PM||#5 (permalink)|
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Yorktown, Virginia
Nothing like everybody and their brother coming up with their own specs for tolerances. A good constant would be great. Nice job Simon.
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|02-03-2010, 02:09 PM||#6 (permalink)|
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern Maine
UNF 15/16-20, Oversize GH-7 are the official threads
But it doesnt help that it appears some shops were doing just 15/16-20 threads instead, perhaps because the taps were much more common and cheaper. Some might have used similar metric sizes because it worked in there guns. Other shops were machining in threads, resulting in different specs as well.
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|02-03-2010, 02:36 PM||#7 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jul 2006
he is talking about the socket for the barrel and the shank on the barrel being out of spec.
wow, seriously? leave me the **** alone.
|02-03-2010, 02:41 PM||#8 (permalink)|
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i have that same problem with spyder threads. using a PCS US-5 adapter on my A5, my freak insert seems to catch the bolt, causing it to stock. my ceramic does the same... i should have just gone with a lapco adapter.
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|02-03-2010, 02:45 PM||#9 (permalink)|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albany. NY
I would think the threads would be more of a problem unless the un-threaded portion leading the barrel had so much extra length that the threads wouldn't catch.
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