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Old 08-08-2010, 11:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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autococker specific parts?

hey, what are some autococker specific parts? i hear new things when people talk to me about cockers. im REALLY new to them soo thanks guys!
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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cocker specific? like no other guns have compatible ones? i'd say the body back block with its cocking rod, front block with its pneumatics and body for starters.
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i mean like ive heard about a 3 way valve. whats that do, where is it located? stuff like that lol
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it's on the front block, with a rod sticking backwards hooked to a hole in the trigger. it has 3 holes for lpr hoses, lpr inputs pressure to the middle one while the 2 on the sides go to each side of the external ram. only 1 side is connected to the center at a time so the ram either gets air to extend or retract.

it is set up so that the trigger switches the valve AFTER the ball is fired, so that the ram pushes the bolt back for the next ball to fall, and when you release the trigger the 3 way valve is returned as well (since it's attached via that rod thing) to close the bolt and push the ball into the barrel. doing this adjustment is called 'timing' a cocker.

edit: it's the thing with 3 hoses at the bottom of the front block, the blue hose seemingly connected to nothing is connected to an lpr in real life.

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it's on the front block, with a rod sticking backwards hooked to a hole in the trigger. it has 3 holes for lpr hoses, lpr inputs pressure to the middle one while the 2 on the sides go to each side of the external ram. only 1 side is connected to the center at a time so the ram either gets air to extend or retract.

it is set up so that the trigger switches the valve AFTER the ball is fired, so that the ram pushes the bolt back for the next ball to fall, and when you release the trigger the 3 way valve is returned as well (since it's attached via that rod thing) to close the bolt and push the ball into the barrel. doing this adjustment is called 'timing' a cocker.
soo how would you time a cocker? what does timing do for it? im confused here..
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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this will help you out read these articles all of them.
Autococker Articles
This article in particular will help with your specific question.
http://customcockers.com/forum/showt...-an-autococker
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soo how would you time a cocker? what does timing do for it? im confused here..
ok, look at the picture
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/anim...cocker_wgp.gif

notice how the trigger is pulled a little bit first, so the sear trips the hammer and shoots the ball first. Then you pull the trigger a little further and the 3 way is activated and the reloading occurs? you want it to happen in this order, the reverse would just blow air up the feedneck while the ball stays in the barrel. the act of making sure this happens in order is called 'timing' and it is done by adjusting the length of that rod. there's usually a collar on the rod for the adjustment.

as an aside, you can see the trigger does 2 things one after another, if you don't pull the trigger all the way, you wouldn't have loaded a ball for your next shot. this mistake is what they call short-stroking.
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ok, look at the picture
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/anim...cocker_wgp.gif

notice how the trigger is pulled a little bit first, so the sear trips the hammer and shoots the ball first. Then you pull the trigger a little further and the 3 way is activated and the reloading occurs? you want it to happen in this order, the reverse would just blow air up the feedneck while the ball stays in the barrel. the act of making sure this happens in order is called 'timing' and it is done by adjusting the length of that rod. there's usually a collar on the rod for the adjustment.

as an aside, you can see the trigger does 2 things one after another, if you don't pull the trigger all the way, you wouldn't have loaded a ball for your next shot. this mistake is what they call short-stroking.
ok so timing is basically adjusting the length of the rod, correct?

cockers work by(basically) pulling the trigger half way, it shoots. you pull it all the way its as if your pumping it back, when you release it its like pushing the pump handle forward, correct?
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ok so timing is basically adjusting the length of the rod, correct?

cockers work by(basically) pulling the trigger half way, it shoots. you pull it all the way its as if your pumping it back, when you release it its like pushing the pump handle forward, correct?
yes.

and cockers are more picky with paint because of how they work. the ball rests in the barrel, not the chamber, so the detent only makes sure you don't double feed a ball, it doesn't make sure the loaded ball stays in place. if your balls are too small for your barrel it may roll out and you would just dry fire the shot

or rest halfway down the barrel so you lose fps due to a bad start. most players would recommend you get a barrel kit to match paint and/or never to angle your gun below horizontal.
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yes.

and cockers are more picky with paint because of how they work. the ball rests in the barrel, not the chamber, so the detent only makes sure you don't double feed a ball, it doesn't make sure the loaded ball stays in place. if your balls are too small for your barrel it may roll out and you would just dry fire the shot

or rest halfway down the barrel so you lose fps due to a bad start. most players would recommend you get a barrel kit to match paint and/or never to angle your gun below horizontal.
or i could get a .679 bore barrel?
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