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Old 03-17-2011, 11:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 03-17-2011, 11:19 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 03-17-2011, 11:28 AM   #13 (permalink)
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It looks suspiciously like a Torque loader.
Exactly what I thought.
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Old 03-17-2011, 11:30 AM   #14 (permalink)
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To me it looks like a prophecy redesigned around the 200 round nose cone.
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Old 03-17-2011, 11:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Seriously... I can't wait for the new hopper to become available. Simon makes one hell of a product.
Come on. You're the man with all the juice around here. Talk to these monkeys and get them to make products suited to our needs. Smaller capacity loaders. A low profile 100 round loader would be awesome. Tell them all of MCB is behind you.
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Old 03-17-2011, 12:15 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Come on. You're the man with all the juice around here. Talk to these monkeys and get them to make products suited to our needs. Smaller capacity loaders. A low profile 100 round loader would be awesome. Tell them all of MCB is behind you.
They won't do it. Or at least untill there are 5 times more pump players. That new hopper would need at least 3 new molds made if empire went the "just make new shells route". A single mold like that can cost 5+ thousand dollars.
Let's say they do it:
3 molds 15,000
R&D / CAD labor spent on new shells 3000???
Lost revenue by keeping this on the machine? Who knows.

Now assume they want the msrp on these to be 49.99.
Let now say dealer cost from Kee is 30 even.
Say the material costs of the shell it's self and packaging is 7 dollars.
That now means that Kee makes 23 bucks on each shell.
18,000 % 23 = 782.6
yep that's right. They would need to sell 782.6 of them to BREAK EVEN. They don't see a freaking dime untill they have sold that many. Consider that number for a second. In the current state of the sport with the number of pump players nobody in their right mind would make a pump force fed hopper.

With all that said. PLEASE MAKE ONE SIMON, I REALLY WANT ONE EVEN IF IT LOOSES YOU MONEY!!!!!
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Old 03-17-2011, 12:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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people would pay more than 50 bucks for a good forcefeed mini-hopper (edit: just realized you talkin bout shells, okay). around 100 bucks would make sense. also, it would cost more than 20 grand to develop them for production, but I don't see it being a problem to sell over a thousand of them. a thousand would be gone in a jiffy

if it cost 30 grand to develop them, and they made 30 bucks per unit, a thousand would pay it off. DO IT!!!!! hell if I had the capabilities to produce that sort of thing (we don't do electronics and we don't do injection molding), and I could afford to develop something for 30 grand (I can't, the Falcons cost me over 20 grand alone to develop), I'd totally make it. I need more funding

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Old 03-17-2011, 12:25 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I think a 100 round hopper could be marketed to more then just pump players ... I'm no speedballer but don't from players always talk about tight setups? How bout the millsim crowd... Don't want to spring for a new limited paint marker ... Allso sick off the crappy feeding pocket hoppers .
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Old 03-17-2011, 12:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I think a 100 round hopper could be marketed to more then just pump players ... I'm no speedballer but don't from players always talk about tight setups? How bout the millsim crowd... Don't want to spring for a new limited paint marker ... Allso sick off the crappy feeding pocket hoppers .
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I'd use a force-feed 100 ball loader when I played either pump or mech. If I ever get another electro, I'd use it there too.
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Old 03-17-2011, 12:28 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I am excited for this new phrophecy! Looks great! My prophecy with the small nose cone is GREAT for pump play.
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