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[The Inflicted]

Originally Posted by shadawg

Actually they were one of the few companies left that actually tried to keep the business American. Their factory team was called the All Americans for a reason, they were very proud to be an American manufacturer. They tried to keep the company out of bankruptcy and then when forced to it, they tried to keep it from being a liquidation. Blame PNC Bank. Wait a minute,what was I thinking? This concerns Smart Parts, the truth of things is irrelevant. You guys would rather keep the misinformation going.

Were not the Ion, Vibe, and SP-1 not made in China from the get-go?
I'm fairly certain of the Vibe and SP-1 but I want to have my facts straight.

[everex5]

GoG is doing fine. Let SP be history guys. Plenty of americans lost jobs because of them and many others going under. All companies make mistakes. Lets hope someone takes this gear and puts it to good use.

[MacGyver]

Honestly who really wants this? With gas prices where they're at it would side in my driveway if I bought it. lol

Originally Posted by splattttttt

I heard that also... Sneaky bastards.
I want this...

[shadawg]

Originally Posted by corykusmc06

American wages isn't the only reason they went under. From what i understand they made some poor business decision that pushed them along the way. like putting to many eggs in the .50 cal basket.

.50 came after the bank foreclosed on the credit line.

[heinous]

Originally Posted by The Inflicted

Were not the Ion, Vibe, and SP-1 not made in China from the get-go?
I'm fairly certain of the Vibe and SP-1 but I want to have my facts straight.

i rue the day i read about that in an interview with a gardner and didn't bother to save the link.

scratch that, my google-fu leveled up. http://www.malinbergquist.com/docume...Report2008.pdf

[shadawg]

Originally Posted by The Inflicted

Were not the Ion, Vibe, and SP-1 not made in China from the get-go?
I'm fairly certain of the Vibe and SP-1 but I want to have my facts straight.

The frame and plastics were overseas production for the parts. Boards were domestic, firing cans and breeches domestic. Barrels domestic. Max-flo vert reg domestic. Final assembly domestic.
Shockers, Impulses all domestic.
Micro max-flo domestic.
Dye sublimated clothing domestic.
T-shirts domestic printing on foreign made shirts.
Pants after Chigos all overseas.

Everything production wise went overseas after the reset.

[The Inflicted]

Originally Posted by shadawg

The frame and plastics were overseas production for the parts. Boards were domestic, firing cans and breeches domestic. Barrels domestic. Max-flo vert reg domestic. Final assembly domestic.
Shockers, Impulses all domestic.
Micro max-flo domestic.
Dye sublimated clothing domestic.
T-shirts domestic printing on foreign made shirts.
Pants after Chigos all overseas.

Everything production wise went overseas after the reset.

Thank you for the correction.

However, weren't the GI-MILSIM guns made completely in China, even before the reset? This would have been a way of having these factories tool-up for full overseas production of the Smart Parts guns even before Smart Parts officially went bankrupt.

[shadawg]

The factory in China was tooled up way before GI Milsim. The China plant was set up to manufacturer the plastics and cast parts on the ION and then expanded to other plastic parts for the developing product line, the truth is plastic and casting is way way cheaper there. It's not a secret and the entire business world goes there to do that type of work.
GI Milsim production was in Richmond's facilities as I understand it, not the Gardener's, however I could be mistaken. GI Milsim was, is and always has been a company separate from SP/GOG though principal investors are shared. I really have not paid much attention to GI Milsim as I thought the entire idea was D.O.A.

The move to China for full production was predicated on the need to be competitive in a ruthless marketplace. The company made some bad moves, compounded by a bad economy. The effort to right the ship was in full swing when PNC hammered in the stake that killed the company. With no CAP Line the company could not operate. The reorganization failed and the move to liquidation was the final option. Coming back , the only way to stay competitive was to join all the other manufacturers overseas. Sad tale, but not a new one.

[Marauder_Pilot]

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Honestly who really wants this? With gas prices where they're at it would side in my driveway if I bought it. lol

Pretty much any paintball company of any size has one of those rigs, they bring them to any paintball game of size and set up shop. I think Tippmann has 2 or 3. Great choice for an up-and-coming company, all they need is some signs and an airbrush.

[131SteckTastic131]

Originally Posted by shadawg

Actually they were one of the few companies left that actually tried to keep the business American. Their factory team was called the All Americans for a reason, they were very proud to be an American manufacturer. They tried to keep the company out of bankruptcy and then when forced to it, they tried to keep it from being a liquidation. Blame PNC Bank. Wait a minute,what was I thinking? This concerns Smart Parts, the truth of things is irrelevant. You guys would rather keep the misinformation going.

i appreciate seeing some honest truth here. people tend to forget it was a American company with American employees!!!