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Old 07-26-2011, 02:09 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I see a wood stock as an advantage just because it's familiar to me, I shot trap before I tried paintball, and shouldering a marker with a co2 tank felt strange, but with a wood stock on my automag the muscle memory is the same and much more comfortable for me.

But I think the main draw of the old markers is that they can still compete today as simple and rugged as they are.
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I played pump before it was cool...
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:25 AM   #23 (permalink)
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real benefits? the older your gun the longer your stamina is later that night.

It's all about the feel. Older guns were designed to be held a certain way, to aim a certain way, to play and be smarter than your gun. You learn to focus your aim and play style to compensate for the gun.
in it's simplicity, getting good with an old gun teaches you how to hunt. While a new gun is designed to teach you how to sling paint.
Just looking at the grip angles on newer guns, they aren't as aggressive, and you are most comfortable plopping yourself down and waisting paint.

Getting out of this tons-of-paint funk is like getting out of a lazy chair after watching tv.
Playing with an old gun is like getting off a treadmill while you watched the same show.
With the former you are at your most comfortable just sitting there, pulling the trigger. With the later you feel way more accomplished.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:39 AM   #24 (permalink)
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new guns are like driving a dodge neon.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:48 AM   #25 (permalink)
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so the answer is basically... none?

i mean i also heard brass has less friction
so pump guns get more efficiency, but what about a pirate stock?

why did the pirates start using them over other style handles?
Whoever told you that was confused..... And to be fair, there has been an imperial super crap load of "confusion" in paintball over the years.


The only thing that brass has going for it is some variation on nostalgia. It's the same reason that people race 356 Porsches.

It might be similar to hipster-ism... Except hipsters typically take something venerable from the past and twist it to make it more than it ever was... Like single speed bikes and girls with tattoos... Single speed bikes were cheap and crappy, and girls only had one or two tattoos, not effin sleeves down both arms. Jeeze!
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why did the pirates start using them over other style handles?

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The pirates didn't have polymers, rail systems, high cap mags, tac slings or high tec machinery.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:55 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I believe the brass having less friction thing comes from PPS I don't know if it is true but the barrels seem to work okay. The only wood stocked marker I ever used was a Hurricane and it was heavy and awkward to lug around but it was fun and that I think is the only real attraction to wood stocked markers. The pirate thing I don't really get but it is probably just a way to preserve the fun factor while making the marker more practical to actually use.
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I started SC play with Nelson based guns. I tried various Sheridan based SC guns and couldn't get used to the rock back motion instead of rock forward. The wood stocks (either full or in my case Pirate) makes the rock back motion seem more natural and makes the gun usable for me.

PPS claims that Brass has advantages in barrels because of (IIRC) low coefficient of friction.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:17 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Brass and steel do have very low CoE's compared to aluminum or anodized aluminum. But those number come from what their CoE is on a certain material(last time I did a comparison, I think I used steels as the steady state). no-one has done that much is the way of experiments to determine the CoE of gelatin on these materials. Does it make a difference? If you underbore I bet it determines the length of useful underbore. That being said, oldschool brass will usually not be underbored.

All of this is irrelevant to me, I love playing with my P68. Nothing else feels right anymore.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:55 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Let's not overlook the... intangibles, shall we say? For instance:



ROF: Maxes at out at, I dunno, like 19 BPS?
Reload Time: 'Bout 2 seconds if you reload Like A Pro!
Player Reaction: "Oh cool, it looks like my (insert name of other small-framed electro)."

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ROF: ~4 BPS
Reload Time: 5 minutes
Player Reaction: "What the hell is that JESUS CHRIST RUN!!!1!1!"
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