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[n2extreme1]

It was my impression that the thread starter might be trying to do just that. I too have over $1300 in gear and cash tied up with punisher and knew that people were waiting on work but I didn't realize it was to this extent.

[Kraus]

Email sent.

[Mar]

Originally Posted by PsychoBaller

But how come nobody has thought about starting a Group/Class Action Lawsuit of some sort, against Punisher?

Person you want to sue: Deep pockets.

Person you do NOT want to sue: Judgment proof.

On a sliding scale, where does he fit in?

[Rap4paintball]

In my personal opinion, the man does good work. Not great refined super amazing, but alot better than average. Dont bark at me, I have not done any bussiness with the man, but that it was I gather from my observations. But he does have a problem, dead lines, taking on too much work, not putting aside the funds to finish the jobs, ect, ect. I personally wouldnt send my money to him. He is getting burned out by his decisions and by the run of the mill asses he seems to attract. I forsee him closing shop or atleast trying to limit his work load a considerable amount, if hes smart. I say, let the man finish his work, stop starting threads about this type of thing, no slander, no cries of murder. Just say, hes not reliable, maybe state a quick example, and move on. Vote with your wallets, let him burn out and become another "did good work, just took too long". Just my two cents, please dont call me on my opinion, from what I have observed.

[FLUNKN]

Originally Posted by Rap4paintball

Dont bark at me, I have not done any bussiness with the man, but that it was I gather from my observations. But he does have a problem, dead lines, taking on too much work, not putting aside the funds to finish the jobs, ect, ect. I personally wouldnt send my money to him.

Problem was that when most of us sent him money / guns etc... he was turning out work at what seemed like a decent rate. I knew that my main project would take a while as all I did was send him cash, a gun and some parts and say go to town on it. Up until November he was good about communicating with me.

[Amoryl]

Originally Posted by Rap4paintball

In my personal opinion, the man does good work. Not great refined super amazing, but alot better than average. Dont bark at me, I have not done any bussiness with the man, but that it was I gather from my observations. But he does have a problem, dead lines, taking on too much work, not putting aside the funds to finish the jobs, ect, ect. I personally wouldnt send my money to him. He is getting burned out by his decisions and by the run of the mill asses he seems to attract. I forsee him closing shop or atleast trying to limit his work load a considerable amount, if hes smart. I say, let the man finish his work, stop starting threads about this type of thing, no slander, no cries of murder. Just say, hes not reliable, maybe state a quick example, and move on. Vote with your wallets, let him burn out and become another "did good work, just took too long". Just my two cents, please dont call me on my opinion, from what I have observed.

I'm calling! nah, jk...

what it's all coming down to, from what i can see safely coccooned in my blanket of "not actually involved" it isn't so much that he's behind schedual, in many cases it does't seem the problem is that he's WAY behind schedual. this isn't a "quality work takes time, rome wasn't built in a day" anymore. there's serious concern being said that he's not actually GOING to finish anything. there's 2 types of personal buisinesses, one where the bookkeeping for the buisiness is totally seperate from personal bookkeeping. and failed buisinesses. what happened, and what happens ALL the time with self employeed contractors is they start out with the best intentions, but something happens, maybe the central air goes out, maybe a tree falls on their car, or the house floods. they don't have the cash in their personal bank account, so they "borrow" it from their work account. and they always say to themselves "it's not that much, and i'll have it put back long before i can even get working on that project anyway" but then something else goes, and something else goes. and once you dip into that money thats not entirely yours (and it's not, the labor maybe, but if someone's paid for parts that money belongs to them and the parts) then it gets easier and easier to dip in again and again. at first it's just the labor part, the "i guess i'll have to work a few hours for nothing later, i need that money now" but later when the realize they need that money for labor then too, to buy food, pay rent, car, etc...they've gotta take it from somewhere. it sucks, and life happens in amazingly crappy ways sometimes. but at the end of the day there's things you've gotta do, if not because it's the "right" thing to do, then because it's the legal thing to do. there's not much to be done about the crowdbuster, i doubt if he goes completely under anyone'll see a dime back. but there's several people who sent in their own stuff to be worked on, he really needs to send those back to the owners. fixed or not, they've been without their property for years. at lest with contractors they usually only mess up your house and leave, leaving you to hire someone else to fix it. in punnisher's case he's essentially run off with people's property, if the statements are true. the rest, well, there's nothing much else to do but wait, or research legal action, but he really really needs to return property that belongs to other people, property that belonged to them before it ever reached his hands.

[Bored383]

Originally Posted by AngelChaser

Ever throw a rock at a Hornets nest? I never met anyone that enjoyed the result. How about all the whiners who can't let the man enjoy some off time just stuff it and ask him for a refund of goods and monies paid?

So what if he has a hopped up Neon for a project. So what if he spent money on it. Not one bit of proof has been brought forth that Lee has used ANY funds from customers on his car.

Whine all you want about overdue projects. If you didn't already know that having custom work done by any of the independent shops took alot longer than the initial estimate then you should have done better homework.

All this whining is nothing new, it's the same crap that has been going around about various 'smiths for years. I guess Lee is the 'lucky' one this time around.

Yes, he is behind, way behind, but go ahead and keep kicking at him while he is down. I honestly hope he gets caught up. And when he does I hope he closes up shop and says to hell with it, for his own sake.

yer post is made of fail and pathetic

the typical sackrider reply to those with legit complaints with Lee

cuz, you know, no one else in this affair has lives or commitments of their own - or knows what it is to make sacrifices

[Shane-O]

I have 2 projects with Pun and both are overdue, not as long as others, and longer than some. I knew going in that Pun had time issues and I decided that the work was worth the wait, regardless of the time estimate given to me. I get emails back from him after a reasonable amount of time, and have never been a turd towards him, so emails are returned promptly. Yes Pun has alot of catching up to do. Yes he prolly has terrible business managment, but posting things like this, and cross posting it, and trying to bother him on another forumm is just childish. I'm not saying that he doesnt deserve the bad rap he's getting, but invading his personal time is plain childish. People have no idea of how/where the money for his neon project came from. you know what they say about assumptions..................................

And have the sack to post with your real screen name, posting anonymous is also cowardly. If I am connecting the dots correctly, you were outed on Docs forum, so come clean here and show your not the child it looks like you are.

Shane-O

[Bored383]

Shane-O, he has invaded my personal time with his failure to deliver on the CrowdBuster. And his constant refrain is that he never has time/money/health, has to work 2 jobs etc., eats ramen, so they just have to wait.

well . . . call me harsh, but when he says that out one side of his mouth, then brags about the motor he built etc. out the other side then we have a problem.

well, more precisely Lee has a problem.

Bored383
Please repost all your specifics and such...........

[Bored383]

Shane-O, please explain how I am doing the same thing as Lee? Seriously - I want to understand the disconnect here, because I am not the one taking peoples money and paintguns. And I am certainly not being a Liar.

And how can you call someone a bottomfeeder for simply not taking it anymore? I don't care that Lee threatens to place squeeky wheels to the back of the pile because I am resigned to the fact that he never intended to complete the project.

Are you responding like you are because you are afraid that enough angry voices will make him call it quits - and that you are still holding out hope you will get your projects from him? Thats the fear he depends on. Don't be afraid of him or his threats.

I am not a bottomfeeder or a liar - Lee fits both definitions right now.